1 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:18,960 [Music] 2 00:00:28,499 --> 00:00:24,890 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:28,509 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:35,890 --> 00:00:34,160 here's Jean Steinberg with Jean and 5 00:00:39,220 --> 00:00:35,900 Chris on the power cast we have our 6 00:00:41,170 --> 00:00:39,230 second listener roundtable and I'd say 7 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:41,180 an you will listen a roundtable but the 8 00:00:47,979 --> 00:00:43,850 last one's occurred four years ago in 9 00:00:50,289 --> 00:00:47,989 2009 Chris who did we feature that well 10 00:00:52,210 --> 00:00:50,299 a bunch of names Jean and we don't see 11 00:00:56,950 --> 00:00:52,220 around the forums anymore Brandon be 12 00:00:58,840 --> 00:00:56,960 dusty Purusha good old Schuyler who pops 13 00:01:01,930 --> 00:00:58,850 in occasionally from time to time and 14 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:01,940 skunk ape that smelly guy yeah 15 00:01:06,730 --> 00:01:04,610 interesting about how things change and 16 00:01:09,130 --> 00:01:06,740 how those people disappeared I hear from 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:09,140 one or two of them by email but I think 18 00:01:14,230 --> 00:01:11,570 I'm gonna ask all of you this as we go 19 00:01:16,690 --> 00:01:14,240 on that when you're an active intense 20 00:01:18,820 --> 00:01:16,700 participant in a forum after a couple of 21 00:01:20,710 --> 00:01:18,830 years you sort of burn out and then of 22 00:01:24,190 --> 00:01:20,720 course some of us of course get we ban 23 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:24,200 you like for example we have somebody on 24 00:01:28,060 --> 00:01:26,450 line now then we'll introduce in a 25 00:01:30,970 --> 00:01:28,070 moment who has been banned at least once 26 00:01:32,980 --> 00:01:30,980 but that's true for another guest we had 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:32,990 recently our resident skeptic Lance 28 00:01:37,540 --> 00:01:35,050 Moody he's been banned I think twice and 29 00:01:40,270 --> 00:01:37,550 amongst our crew and I'll introduce them 30 00:01:42,250 --> 00:01:40,280 they'll be known by their user names and 31 00:01:43,750 --> 00:01:42,260 their first names whether they want to 32 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:43,760 give you their last name is up to them 33 00:01:49,570 --> 00:01:47,570 we have sand n fire who's Jeff I'm gonna 34 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:49,580 have to ask him how he got that name we 35 00:01:55,870 --> 00:01:52,730 have Randall known as ufology and we 36 00:01:57,190 --> 00:01:55,880 have pixel Smith known as Dean and we 37 00:01:59,080 --> 00:01:57,200 have GOG smacky 38 00:02:01,180 --> 00:01:59,090 whose first name is Gordon and Gordon I 39 00:02:03,370 --> 00:02:01,190 want to welcome you from your home in 40 00:02:06,340 --> 00:02:03,380 the UK and you've got just a great 41 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:06,350 accent I just enjoy listening to you how 42 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:08,209 did you get the name GOG smack well 43 00:02:14,559 --> 00:02:11,930 actually I've never corrected anyone to 44 00:02:16,899 --> 00:02:14,569 date about this but my second name is 45 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:16,909 actually pronounced Makai Muslim you 46 00:02:22,180 --> 00:02:20,330 know your eye so my name is Gordon Makai 47 00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:22,190 but I don't know how it came about 48 00:02:27,940 --> 00:02:25,280 but in my area of Scotland if your name 49 00:02:28,710 --> 00:02:27,950 is Gordon you automatically have the 50 00:02:32,070 --> 00:02:28,720 nickname 51 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:32,080 dogs so there were three dogs is when I 52 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:34,930 was at high school so I'm gorgs Makai 53 00:02:39,990 --> 00:02:36,610 and I've been not since I've been about 54 00:02:42,330 --> 00:02:40,000 five years old so it's God's Makai Mekhi 55 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:42,340 yeah okay not yeah Chi God smacked or 56 00:02:45,630 --> 00:02:43,210 something like that 57 00:02:47,670 --> 00:02:45,640 no okay at least we got that 58 00:02:49,620 --> 00:02:47,680 straightened out now pixel Smith we 59 00:02:51,990 --> 00:02:49,630 understand because Dean is a graphic 60 00:02:54,150 --> 00:02:52,000 artist and therefore some of us writers 61 00:02:58,050 --> 00:02:54,160 are wordsmith so a graphic artist is 62 00:03:00,870 --> 00:02:58,060 Dean a pixel Smith right that's correct 63 00:03:02,670 --> 00:03:00,880 okay we'll go for that are you the one 64 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:02,680 who was banned once or twice by the way 65 00:03:09,870 --> 00:03:05,590 yes I've been banned twice I don't think 66 00:03:11,970 --> 00:03:09,880 I banned you I think David banned me and 67 00:03:18,210 --> 00:03:11,980 I don't remember who banned me the other 68 00:03:20,610 --> 00:03:18,220 time okay we won't get into why also 69 00:03:24,330 --> 00:03:20,620 ufology Randall you were banned once 70 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:24,340 weren't you not from this forum but from 71 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:26,770 another one that some of the missing 72 00:03:31,590 --> 00:03:29,290 people started actually and I still am 73 00:03:33,479 --> 00:03:31,600 not able to post there and I got into it 74 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:33,489 there with some of the people and no 75 00:03:37,229 --> 00:03:35,890 that's a long story who I guess we 76 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:37,239 probably shouldn't get into that right 77 00:03:39,930 --> 00:03:39,370 now if it's somebody else's forum we 78 00:03:42,270 --> 00:03:39,940 don't care 79 00:03:43,860 --> 00:03:42,280 yeah that's but no I've had a really 80 00:03:46,130 --> 00:03:43,870 good time with the pair cast and I'd 81 00:03:48,509 --> 00:03:46,140 really like to see more people 82 00:03:51,150 --> 00:03:48,519 participating actually and I hope that 83 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:51,160 we can elicit some more responses and 84 00:03:55,140 --> 00:03:53,290 some more people from out there who 85 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:55,150 aren't participating to get on there and 86 00:03:58,920 --> 00:03:57,610 and put in a few words well the one 87 00:03:59,610 --> 00:03:58,930 thing here is we have the worldwide 88 00:04:02,039 --> 00:03:59,620 audience 89 00:04:05,330 --> 00:04:02,049 I mean amongst our crew today we have 90 00:04:08,190 --> 00:04:05,340 someone in Scotland we have someone in 91 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:08,200 Canada and the rest in the USA although 92 00:04:10,830 --> 00:04:10,209 some of you may be on a spaceship I 93 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:10,840 wouldn't know 94 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:14,410 right you know that could happen now one 95 00:04:17,340 --> 00:04:15,760 of the things we do when we start the 96 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:17,350 power cast and we might as well do it 97 00:04:22,350 --> 00:04:19,330 with since we have this extra crew of 98 00:04:25,770 --> 00:04:22,360 four with Randall Jeff Dean and Gordon 99 00:04:27,330 --> 00:04:25,780 and that is we do a little bit of a wrap 100 00:04:30,690 --> 00:04:27,340 up of the previous week's show 101 00:04:34,190 --> 00:04:30,700 and certainly the reaction a blue Verner 102 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:34,200 bak has been shall we say interesting 103 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:36,910 now I'm going to ask each of you in turn 104 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:39,090 what you thought about him 105 00:04:44,330 --> 00:04:41,370 and about maybe some of the lack of 106 00:04:46,129 --> 00:04:44,340 logic in his presentation I have a 107 00:04:48,710 --> 00:04:46,139 problem with that I think he may have 108 00:04:50,629 --> 00:04:48,720 had some real experiences but he's been 109 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:50,639 so spooked by it over the years that 110 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:52,590 he's lost perspective and objectivity 111 00:04:57,500 --> 00:04:54,930 and so he imagines all sorts of 112 00:04:59,150 --> 00:04:57,510 conspiracy theories I think he needs to 113 00:05:01,010 --> 00:04:59,160 get a life I think he needs to get a 114 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:01,020 social life not be stuck out there in 115 00:05:04,970 --> 00:05:02,730 the wilderness or whatever and not have 116 00:05:07,790 --> 00:05:04,980 friends or family members to deal with 117 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:07,800 but that doesn't mean that someone 118 00:05:12,650 --> 00:05:10,530 didn't kill his cattle or caused the 119 00:05:15,020 --> 00:05:12,660 mutilations or things like that Randall 120 00:05:17,210 --> 00:05:15,030 what was your reaction well my first 121 00:05:18,590 --> 00:05:17,220 reaction was that when I find out we 122 00:05:20,810 --> 00:05:18,600 were going to be starting with Vernon 123 00:05:23,030 --> 00:05:20,820 Brock I was oh man now I'm gonna 124 00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:23,040 actually have to listen to this show for 125 00:05:27,350 --> 00:05:24,840 me you follow the perspective cattle 126 00:05:28,730 --> 00:05:27,360 mutilations are a fringe topic and fall 127 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:28,740 under the general heading if you follow 128 00:05:33,170 --> 00:05:30,450 these studies and the connection between 129 00:05:34,940 --> 00:05:33,180 animals with UFOs personally I haven't 130 00:05:37,310 --> 00:05:34,950 spent much time researching them my 131 00:05:38,810 --> 00:05:37,320 closest involvement was to look over 132 00:05:41,390 --> 00:05:38,820 some pictures that were provided to me 133 00:05:43,490 --> 00:05:41,400 by a friend back in the 1990's of 134 00:05:48,830 --> 00:05:43,500 simulations that had happened on his 135 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:48,840 parents ranch and so I tend to share 136 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:51,240 some of your sentiments but I'm not as 137 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:52,770 much of an expert in that area to say 138 00:05:56,750 --> 00:05:54,330 someone like Kris would be I think Kris 139 00:06:00,350 --> 00:05:56,760 might be better qualified to make some 140 00:06:03,409 --> 00:06:00,360 real Morgan depth commentary there Kris 141 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:03,419 you've been elected well I first became 142 00:06:08,540 --> 00:06:06,090 aware of Warner's case through Ted 143 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:08,550 Oliphant who many of our listeners may 144 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:11,610 remember was the chief of police in Fife 145 00:06:17,719 --> 00:06:14,310 Alabama in the late 80s early 90s and he 146 00:06:20,150 --> 00:06:17,729 he had to investigate around 200 cases 147 00:06:22,580 --> 00:06:20,160 that occurred there and in that part of 148 00:06:25,250 --> 00:06:22,590 Alabama he was pretty convinced that 149 00:06:27,170 --> 00:06:25,260 there was an a helicopter connection 150 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:27,180 that there was some sort of potential 151 00:06:33,650 --> 00:06:30,510 biological experiments that may have 152 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:33,660 been going on and through his work there 153 00:06:38,210 --> 00:06:35,910 I think that's how Verner found out 154 00:06:40,190 --> 00:06:38,220 about him and contacted him and Ted was 155 00:06:44,090 --> 00:06:40,200 working with him for quite a number of 156 00:06:47,180 --> 00:06:44,100 years at least trying to advise him get 157 00:06:49,370 --> 00:06:47,190 him to you know bring in experts 158 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:49,380 veterinary pathologists law enforcement 159 00:06:54,090 --> 00:06:51,130 in that sort of thing in Vern 160 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:54,100 when I first talked to him he did he 161 00:07:00,690 --> 00:06:57,250 contacted me initially although I had 162 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:00,700 known about his case he he was one of 163 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:03,120 the few cases that I've encountered that 164 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:06,010 does not have a high strange element to 165 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:08,830 it or an element to it that can't be 166 00:07:14,130 --> 00:07:11,710 explained with you know present-day 167 00:07:16,350 --> 00:07:14,140 mundane technology if if indeed these 168 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:16,360 cases are real which I think the jury is 169 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:19,030 still out but he did strike me as being 170 00:07:23,580 --> 00:07:20,770 very sincere and very dedicated to 171 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:23,590 finding out what had happened to his 172 00:07:28,350 --> 00:07:26,250 animals and why he had been targeted and 173 00:07:30,330 --> 00:07:28,360 unfortunately his case is very very 174 00:07:33,330 --> 00:07:30,340 complicated and there's a lots of lot of 175 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:33,340 ins and outs that go into into his 176 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:35,410 particular case and I don't think he 177 00:07:42,030 --> 00:07:39,280 represented his 40-year Odyssey or 178 00:07:44,850 --> 00:07:42,040 30-plus year Odyssey very well in a 179 00:07:47,250 --> 00:07:44,860 two-hour radio format so I don't I don't 180 00:07:48,030 --> 00:07:47,260 think we should we should completely 181 00:07:51,150 --> 00:07:48,040 discount 182 00:07:52,470 --> 00:07:51,160 Vernors account in his story I think the 183 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:52,480 guy's gone through a lot there's 184 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:55,090 something at the core of the case what 185 00:07:59,790 --> 00:07:57,370 it is I really am in no position to 186 00:08:01,080 --> 00:07:59,800 really judge ok Jeff what's your 187 00:08:03,090 --> 00:08:01,090 reaction to Verner 188 00:08:05,220 --> 00:08:03,100 in my experience and I have to be honest 189 00:08:07,140 --> 00:08:05,230 here I've only listened to about a 190 00:08:11,250 --> 00:08:07,150 quarter to a half of the episode so far 191 00:08:14,850 --> 00:08:11,260 but in my experience when paranormal 192 00:08:16,590 --> 00:08:14,860 activity has occurred this wide-ranging 193 00:08:18,660 --> 00:08:16,600 of activity has occurred around one 194 00:08:21,540 --> 00:08:18,670 person then I tend to get a little 195 00:08:23,490 --> 00:08:21,550 suspect about that person's emotional 196 00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:23,500 status now if you're talking about 197 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:25,630 something like the Gordon ranch the 198 00:08:30,570 --> 00:08:27,760 skinwalker ranch episode where you have 199 00:08:32,339 --> 00:08:30,580 multiple witnesses and as Chris said the 200 00:08:34,469 --> 00:08:32,349 high strangeness all going on in one 201 00:08:35,969 --> 00:08:34,479 location to me that adds a little bit of 202 00:08:38,790 --> 00:08:35,979 credibility to the stories that come out 203 00:08:41,839 --> 00:08:38,800 of the out of the case but when you have 204 00:08:45,450 --> 00:08:41,849 somebody like Warner who he's the sole 205 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:45,460 it seems like the sole source from what 206 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:48,250 I understand of the activity then I'm a 207 00:08:54,870 --> 00:08:52,720 little suspect about his sort of central 208 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:54,880 perspective on what's going on around 209 00:09:00,660 --> 00:08:57,250 him dogs what was your take on it 210 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:00,670 well I have to confess as well I only go 211 00:09:04,450 --> 00:09:02,290 to about a third the way through the 212 00:09:07,270 --> 00:09:04,460 show probably because I 213 00:09:09,430 --> 00:09:07,280 couldn't really follow and couldn't 214 00:09:11,650 --> 00:09:09,440 really follow burner very well he seemed 215 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:11,660 to be going off and tangents I I kind of 216 00:09:16,690 --> 00:09:13,850 got the idea that both yourself and 217 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:16,700 Chris um weren't following him it 218 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:18,170 reminded me of the App Store there's 219 00:09:23,050 --> 00:09:20,450 Aaron Copland we just seemed to be 220 00:09:24,850 --> 00:09:23,060 weaving you know all sorts of Fringe 221 00:09:26,590 --> 00:09:24,860 paranormal topics together into 222 00:09:30,340 --> 00:09:26,600 something I'm not saying that's the case 223 00:09:32,260 --> 00:09:30,350 with him but he did seem too did he say 224 00:09:32,890 --> 00:09:32,270 that something like around 1/2 of his 225 00:09:36,940 --> 00:09:32,900 cattle 226 00:09:39,190 --> 00:09:36,950 ramita lated he said dogs over 300 and 227 00:09:41,350 --> 00:09:39,200 that's gotta be 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00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:28,680 first and hopefully these participants 328 00:14:32,540 --> 00:14:30,720 won't suddenly disappear from the forums 329 00:14:36,259 --> 00:14:32,550 and will do this more often 330 00:14:39,470 --> 00:14:36,269 our gaster Jeff Randall Dean and Gordon 331 00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:39,480 we're discussing reactions to Vernor 332 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:43,680 Bach who had cattle mutilations lost 333 00:14:47,870 --> 00:14:45,810 over 300 cattle to deaths the 334 00:14:49,790 --> 00:14:47,880 authorities saying it's because of his 335 00:14:52,939 --> 00:14:49,800 neglect but you think the guy's been 336 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:52,949 doing this for 40 years or so if he is 337 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:54,570 guilty of neglect why would they wait 338 00:15:00,829 --> 00:14:57,690 all these years I don't know kind of 339 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:00,839 weird Dean what's your take well I have 340 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:03,050 to admit also I listened to the whole 341 00:15:10,610 --> 00:15:06,240 podcast but I had clients coming in and 342 00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:10,620 out so I missed a lot of it I I'm kind 343 00:15:17,269 --> 00:15:13,380 of on the fence about mutilations of 344 00:15:20,449 --> 00:15:17,279 cattle I I think a lot of that is 345 00:15:23,780 --> 00:15:20,459 natural but I have to admit that Chris's 346 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:23,790 researchers point interesting I almost 347 00:15:30,019 --> 00:15:25,980 turned the guy off until I heard him 348 00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:30,029 saying mentioned gender 21 of course my 349 00:15:36,410 --> 00:15:33,720 ears perked right up on that III think 350 00:15:40,970 --> 00:15:36,420 that he does have valid concerns about 351 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:40,980 agenda21 creeping into the rural areas 352 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:43,769 especially but pretty much everything 353 00:15:50,889 --> 00:15:46,290 else I think I shared genes sentiments 354 00:15:53,079 --> 00:15:50,899 on and on that alright I gender 21 355 00:15:56,439 --> 00:15:53,089 our listeners what that means to them if 356 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:56,449 anything well that's a that could take a 357 00:16:01,449 --> 00:15:57,490 while 358 00:16:06,419 --> 00:16:01,459 it's agenda 21 is actually being 359 00:16:08,590 --> 00:16:06,429 implemented the Italy that's 360 00:16:11,169 --> 00:16:08,600 International Council for a local 361 00:16:15,809 --> 00:16:11,179 environmental initiatives and it's all 362 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:15,819 about the sustainability environmental 363 00:16:26,980 --> 00:16:22,730 movement and the I've seen things 364 00:16:32,139 --> 00:16:26,990 happening in this city that fall right 365 00:16:37,689 --> 00:16:32,149 into the under the master plan of agenda 366 00:16:38,980 --> 00:16:37,699 21 to just change cities to be more 367 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:38,990 sustainable 368 00:16:43,090 --> 00:16:40,910 I've known we're talking about something 369 00:16:46,090 --> 00:16:43,100 that's environmentally related or 370 00:16:52,569 --> 00:16:46,100 something with regard to renewable 371 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:52,579 energy what yeah it's well it's so 372 00:16:59,939 --> 00:16:54,970 complex I don't think we can even 373 00:17:03,269 --> 00:16:59,949 adequately discuss it in this Roundtable 374 00:17:05,620 --> 00:17:03,279 I've noticed in this city it's more 375 00:17:08,199 --> 00:17:05,630 implemented in the structure and the 376 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:08,209 layout of the city they're going to more 377 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:11,569 high density housing they seem to be 378 00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:15,110 wanting to create traffic congestion in 379 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:19,039 our downtown area and I think that's May 380 00:17:28,179 --> 00:17:25,390 done to try to get fewer cars downtown 381 00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:28,189 and I've been doing that in New York 382 00:17:32,769 --> 00:17:30,320 City for years making it impossible to 383 00:17:34,510 --> 00:17:32,779 drive without giving too much away do 384 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:34,520 you want to tell us what city we're 385 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:36,770 talking about Rochester Minnesota 386 00:17:41,409 --> 00:17:38,510 okay so we're talking about a medium 387 00:17:45,159 --> 00:17:41,419 sized City yes about a hundred and ten 388 00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:45,169 thousand people okay and it's deliberate 389 00:17:48,399 --> 00:17:46,700 on their part make it difficult for 390 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:48,409 people to use their cars especially 391 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:53,210 downtown yeah exactly the question I 392 00:17:57,490 --> 00:17:54,710 have though is how would that impact 393 00:18:01,659 --> 00:17:57,500 somebody living in the wilderness in 394 00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:01,669 Canada well on the other end they seem 395 00:18:07,650 --> 00:18:04,160 to be making it more difficult for 396 00:18:13,330 --> 00:18:07,660 rumors and people living in rural areas 397 00:18:15,490 --> 00:18:13,340 there's lots of different poops that 398 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:15,500 farmers nowadays have to jump through 399 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:20,570 and there are a lot of farmers in this 400 00:18:26,650 --> 00:18:23,450 area are shutting down their farms and 401 00:18:29,050 --> 00:18:26,660 selling out to bigger corporations well 402 00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:29,060 the family farm is pretty much obsolete 403 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:32,240 isn't it well not in this area 404 00:18:37,630 --> 00:18:34,250 not really but this you're trying to 405 00:18:42,370 --> 00:18:37,640 make it that way yes they are ideal very 406 00:18:46,210 --> 00:18:42,380 closely with a dairy farm I do all their 407 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:46,220 design work and packaging materials and 408 00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,210 things like that and it's every time I 409 00:18:56,830 --> 00:18:52,960 speak to him he just looks a little more 410 00:19:01,290 --> 00:18:56,840 drained and beat-up from all the 411 00:19:04,090 --> 00:19:01,300 regulations that they have to adhere to 412 00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:04,100 this is like a corporate plot where the 413 00:19:09,250 --> 00:19:06,080 large corporations want to take over 414 00:19:10,450 --> 00:19:09,260 everything it's not just farms it's any 415 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:10,460 kind of business where are the family 416 00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:14,810 businesses anymore correct yes any other 417 00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:16,760 reaction let's ask Randall what do you 418 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:19,120 think I don't know much about the 419 00:19:25,780 --> 00:19:22,370 agenda21 I think it was supposed to be 420 00:19:28,810 --> 00:19:25,790 overseen by the United Nations so it's a 421 00:19:30,730 --> 00:19:28,820 multinational effort and when you get 422 00:19:34,510 --> 00:19:30,740 these the bigger corporations in there 423 00:19:36,910 --> 00:19:34,520 and large bureaucratic structures like 424 00:19:39,130 --> 00:19:36,920 the UN and national governments who's 425 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:39,140 going to be these hoops that you have to 426 00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:40,850 jump through but I think the overall 427 00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:43,520 intent is probably okay it's just a 428 00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:45,590 matter of people learning how to adjust 429 00:19:51,210 --> 00:19:48,320 and and make it work out to everyone's 430 00:19:54,460 --> 00:19:51,220 benefit any other reaction to agenda 21 431 00:19:56,740 --> 00:19:54,470 well one of the things also in the 432 00:20:00,480 --> 00:19:56,750 Rochester that they're doing as far as 433 00:20:03,580 --> 00:20:00,490 energy conservation is they're replacing 434 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:03,590 the lights and all of the traffic 435 00:20:12,910 --> 00:20:10,330 signals with these little LED lights and 436 00:20:15,850 --> 00:20:12,920 unfortunately they don't get hot enough 437 00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:15,860 to melt any snow that blows on them 438 00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,280 so they're not saving any money at all 439 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:21,440 because they have to send crews around 440 00:20:26,590 --> 00:20:24,110 to clean the snow out of the lights of 441 00:20:28,660 --> 00:20:26,600 all these traffic signals in town and 442 00:20:32,350 --> 00:20:28,670 it's a considerable waste of money so 443 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:32,360 it's things like that just drive me 444 00:20:35,770 --> 00:20:33,650 crazy in this city and they've 445 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:35,780 eliminated like right turn lanes with 446 00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:40,010 these curb bump outs that jut out into 447 00:20:47,490 --> 00:20:44,000 the intersection so only one lane can 448 00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:47,500 proceed and if you want to turn right 449 00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:50,000 and you've got pedestrians walking 450 00:20:54,610 --> 00:20:52,220 through all the way through until the 451 00:20:58,960 --> 00:20:54,620 light turns again nobody can turn right 452 00:21:01,900 --> 00:20:58,970 and it just makes a huge congestion 453 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:01,910 downtown around the Mayo Clinic well the 454 00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:03,650 other thing here is - what about public 455 00:21:08,650 --> 00:21:06,320 transportation do you have much public 456 00:21:11,289 --> 00:21:08,660 transportation there oh yes and they've 457 00:21:13,030 --> 00:21:11,299 created the bike lanes all over town and 458 00:21:19,390 --> 00:21:13,040 unfortunately people are getting run 459 00:21:21,580 --> 00:21:19,400 over in them the bus it drives me crazy 460 00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:21,590 because they've got these big signs on 461 00:21:26,830 --> 00:21:23,960 the back you have to yield to them no 462 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:26,840 matter what and they pretty much control 463 00:21:33,460 --> 00:21:29,510 the downtown they'll run right over you 464 00:21:37,210 --> 00:21:33,470 if you get in their way live in a small 465 00:21:38,970 --> 00:21:37,220 town in northern Indiana and when I say 466 00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:38,980 small town I want to say we have 467 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:42,350 probably around 25,000 people here maybe 468 00:21:48,180 --> 00:21:45,650 a little bit more but we've our mayor 469 00:21:51,010 --> 00:21:48,190 has initiated all of this as well 470 00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,020 everything that the Dean is talking 471 00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,120 about we've done the bump outs and 472 00:21:58,090 --> 00:21:56,240 things like that my personal opinion 473 00:21:59,530 --> 00:21:58,100 I've taken a couple of college courses 474 00:22:01,299 --> 00:21:59,540 that have talked about sustainability 475 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:01,309 and environmentalism and things like 476 00:22:07,780 --> 00:22:05,690 this and and global warming and it's of 477 00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,790 course it's been from a perspective that 478 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:09,679 all of this is happening and that it's 479 00:22:16,539 --> 00:22:12,890 been made so I think that this is the 480 00:22:18,190 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00:27:31,660 environmentally savvy politically 579 00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:33,880 correct whatever we're talking to Jeff 580 00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:37,540 Randall Dean Gordon chin and Chris Jeff 581 00:27:42,030 --> 00:27:39,580 you were saying yeah I was just kind of 582 00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:42,040 I guess giving a positive perspective on 583 00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:44,800 agenda 21 and the intentions behind it 584 00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:47,430 the environmentalism the sustainability 585 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:50,350 trying to lower the the carbon effect 586 00:27:56,370 --> 00:27:52,930 and the warming effect of major cities 587 00:27:58,530 --> 00:27:56,380 major metropolitan areas the idea is to 588 00:28:01,470 --> 00:27:58,540 build up and not out when you're talking 589 00:28:04,170 --> 00:28:01,480 about these cities and I've seen models 590 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:04,180 where they've had skyscrapers with trees 591 00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:06,490 and grass patches of grass on top to try 592 00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:09,580 to lower the the sunlight albedo and 593 00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:11,500 reflection and things of this nature so 594 00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:15,070 I shy away from the idea that agenda 21 595 00:28:19,890 --> 00:28:17,880 is this major governmental conspiracy 596 00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:19,900 where the government and big 597 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:22,150 corporations are trying to take over the 598 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:24,730 world although that might be the case 599 00:28:27,810 --> 00:28:25,930 with the Walmarts 600 00:28:30,740 --> 00:28:27,820 good stuff and as you were talking about 601 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:30,750 the farm farmers being bought out by 602 00:28:35,370 --> 00:28:33,370 conglomerations of farming communities 603 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:35,380 and what have you you know I've studied 604 00:28:41,550 --> 00:28:38,200 this in in school in in a couple of 605 00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:41,560 college classes so I understand a little 606 00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:43,870 bit more the philosophy behind it it can 607 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:44,740 be frustrating 608 00:28:49,860 --> 00:28:47,290 our mayor took a lot of heat from the 609 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:49,870 bump-out sand and everything that the 610 00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:51,610 Dean was talking about earlier so I can 611 00:28:56,250 --> 00:28:53,830 understand that perspective too but so 612 00:28:58,140 --> 00:28:56,260 that's that's that's sort of my take on 613 00:29:01,140 --> 00:28:58,150 it now there have been a lot of debate 614 00:29:04,050 --> 00:29:01,150 of course about global warming and 615 00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:04,060 whether it's man-made or a natural 616 00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:06,340 occurrence or a combination and when I 617 00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:07,420 was listening to you guys talk 618 00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:10,840 especially Dean and Jeff I was thinking 619 00:29:15,330 --> 00:29:12,940 of a book that we discussed on the power 620 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:15,340 cast several years back called science 621 00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:16,330 was wrong 622 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:18,820 written by Stanton Friedman and Kathleen 623 00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:21,970 Martin but amongst other things they did 624 00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:23,740 not believe in man-made global warming 625 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:25,960 and we've had active discussions on this 626 00:29:30,990 --> 00:29:28,570 in the power cast forums and I'd like 627 00:29:34,380 --> 00:29:31,000 Dean to express his point of view before 628 00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:34,390 we go on I don't believe that humans 629 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:37,840 have caused any significant warming to 630 00:29:42,270 --> 00:29:40,090 the planet it's basically that simple 631 00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:42,280 now I have to tell you folks in the 632 00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:44,470 forum's there have been intense 633 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:46,780 discussions about this and we'll go 634 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:48,370 round robin and get opinions and 635 00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:51,250 continue with the discussion okay Dean 636 00:29:55,980 --> 00:29:53,590 you think there's no evidence what about 637 00:29:59,250 --> 00:29:55,990 the fact that the vast majority of the 638 00:30:03,140 --> 00:29:59,260 climate scientists believe that mankind 639 00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:03,150 humankind whatever is a contributor I 640 00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:06,120 don't believe that there's a consensus 641 00:30:12,930 --> 00:30:10,480 if you look into that a little closer 642 00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:12,940 you'll find that the consensus that 643 00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:19,060 they're going by does not include a lot 644 00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:23,350 of climate scientists and it boils down 645 00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:27,160 to I think just a small handful of the 646 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:29,590 three 3,300 scientists or whatever 647 00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:32,770 they're talking about it boils down to I 648 00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:37,660 think something like 40 or 60 scientists 649 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:40,540 that actually believed what the 650 00:30:45,850 --> 00:30:43,730 well could I can i chime in here I just 651 00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:45,860 was speaking with clifford mahooty who's 652 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:47,830 been on the show a couple of times and 653 00:30:54,340 --> 00:30:51,050 zuny is frozen almost down to two feet 654 00:30:56,530 --> 00:30:54,350 everybody's pipes are freezing I've I've 655 00:30:58,890 --> 00:30:56,540 been really cold here in my trailer it's 656 00:31:01,600 --> 00:30:58,900 the coldest winter we've had here in 657 00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:01,610 this central sort of north-central part 658 00:31:07,210 --> 00:31:04,940 of Arizona and the four corners the San 659 00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:07,220 Luis Valley is breaking records they've 660 00:31:12,910 --> 00:31:10,700 had over 44 below zero Fahrenheit up 661 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:12,920 there so you know if there is such a 662 00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:14,450 thing as global warming I think the 663 00:31:19,150 --> 00:31:17,180 planet has a self-regulating system some 664 00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:19,160 sort of thermostat it's gonna put the 665 00:31:24,850 --> 00:31:23,120 kibosh on it what a single volcano can 666 00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:24,860 put more carbon into the air than a 667 00:31:30,550 --> 00:31:29,480 number of years of human output so you 668 00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:30,560 know I think there's a lot of 669 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:33,400 misconceptions about global warming and 670 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:37,930 you know the actual amount of you know 671 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:39,710 responsibility that humans have 672 00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:42,050 obviously we're not helping but well 673 00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:43,550 I'll tell you gene it's been cold up 674 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:45,710 here man it's like really cold this 675 00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:47,570 winter it's the coldest since the I 676 00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:49,640 think early to mid 80s but isn't this 677 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:51,230 thing about global warming the fact that 678 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:53,810 climate will be more extreme it's not 679 00:31:58,300 --> 00:31:55,850 that you have a general warming trend 680 00:32:01,510 --> 00:31:58,310 but it is more extreme and supposedly 681 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:01,520 the surveys show a gradual total warming 682 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:04,010 even if you do have these situations 683 00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:05,330 let's get some other reaction to that 684 00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,670 Jeff what do you think yeah I'd like to 685 00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:08,960 point out that there's a difference 686 00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:11,480 between local climate change and global 687 00:32:17,050 --> 00:32:14,900 warming and we did study that again when 688 00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:17,060 I say we studied the classes I took were 689 00:32:22,030 --> 00:32:18,980 slanted towards manmade global warming 690 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:22,040 which I'm not agreeing with but they did 691 00:32:25,870 --> 00:32:24,530 emphasize that local climate change you 692 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:25,880 are going to have colder temperatures 693 00:32:30,550 --> 00:32:28,130 where people aren't really accustomed to 694 00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,560 it another effect was supposed to be 695 00:32:35,530 --> 00:32:33,200 more severe storms not well I'm sorry 696 00:32:37,150 --> 00:32:35,540 not more severe storms but the storms 697 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:37,160 that we do have were supposed to be more 698 00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:40,490 severe so like this the the superstorm 699 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:43,070 that we had last month was could be a 700 00:32:47,650 --> 00:32:46,010 case for a local climate change and the 701 00:32:50,290 --> 00:32:47,660 global warming effect and things of that 702 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:50,300 nature but my personal opinion on it is 703 00:32:56,150 --> 00:32:53,250 I think that sustainability and good 704 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:56,160 mentalism our good causes whether or not 705 00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:56,970 the Globes 706 00:33:01,640 --> 00:32:59,100 warming up and whether or not it's 707 00:33:03,170 --> 00:33:01,650 man-made or if it's a natural process I 708 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:03,180 think that we should take care of our 709 00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:08,610 environment and Excel and allowing it to 710 00:33:12,650 --> 00:33:10,470 propagate so that it's here for future 711 00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:12,660 generations and not and not just mess it 712 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:15,480 all up for just because we're greedy or 713 00:33:20,930 --> 00:33:18,570 we want more oil or coal and don't want 714 00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:20,940 to come up with alternative technologies 715 00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:23,910 but that's my opinion they're cogs what 716 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:25,950 do you think well I I have a couple of 717 00:33:29,660 --> 00:33:27,930 issues with the whole global warming 718 00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:29,670 thing I'm actually kind of on the fence 719 00:33:34,460 --> 00:33:32,760 about it but I would imagine we're 720 00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:34,470 talking about since the Industrial 721 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:36,360 Revolution since man has been pumping 722 00:33:42,610 --> 00:33:39,810 out you know as such in such gases and 723 00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:42,620 this is at the time but compared to 724 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:45,660 geological time you know the last 250 725 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:49,170 years is a blip and we don't have you 726 00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:52,530 know up to the year up to the month data 727 00:33:58,340 --> 00:33:55,920 for all the time before that and also we 728 00:34:01,100 --> 00:33:58,350 don't have like a control planet earth 729 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:01,110 that you know that we could see what 730 00:34:06,650 --> 00:34:03,090 went of what would have happened in the 731 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:06,660 last 250 years had we not had the 732 00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:08,730 influence we have so there isn't really 733 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:11,669 any way to tell and it probably if it's 734 00:34:15,590 --> 00:34:13,649 going to happen it'll be too late to do 735 00:34:18,919 --> 00:34:15,600 anything about it by the time you can 736 00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:18,929 prove that has happened I suppose that's 737 00:34:24,379 --> 00:34:21,510 what I stand on it all will go for that 738 00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,389 what about you Randall well since the 739 00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,159 advent of the Industrial Revolution we 740 00:34:30,619 --> 00:34:28,320 have been putting a lot of co2 into the 741 00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:30,629 atmosphere and since the advent of jet 742 00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:32,040 aviation we've been putting a lot of 743 00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:33,990 water into the upper atmosphere which is 744 00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:36,950 a far more effective greenhouse gas 745 00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:39,990 logic would suggest that those two 746 00:34:46,070 --> 00:34:43,080 factors alone mean that there must be 747 00:34:48,649 --> 00:34:46,080 some effect I guess what we really have 748 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:48,659 to identify is how much of an effect if 749 00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:50,970 we put a little bit more insulation in 750 00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:53,070 our attic our house is bound to be a 751 00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:55,950 little bit warmer Environment Canada up 752 00:35:00,560 --> 00:34:58,200 here is now adjusting its standards for 753 00:35:03,110 --> 00:35:00,570 seasonal norms and the overall trend is 754 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:03,120 up so whether it's a man-made or natural 755 00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,370 or a combination of both it seems like 756 00:35:08,569 --> 00:35:06,720 it is taking place 757 00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:08,579 and I'm seeing sort of a switch in the 758 00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,550 general attitude from just one or the 759 00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:13,440 other to well it's taking place and we 760 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:14,700 have to do something about it 761 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:17,609 good point I think it comes down to a 762 00:35:22,339 --> 00:35:20,130 lot of the money that's being spent I 763 00:35:24,859 --> 00:35:22,349 mean if it does come out to be proven 764 00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,869 that it's a man-made phenomenon that we 765 00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:26,880 are accelerating it then you're looking 766 00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,950 at and all of the bureaucracy the 767 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,480 governments and the big businesses that 768 00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:32,640 have to spend how many millions or 769 00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:35,369 billions of dollars to try to correct it 770 00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:37,980 and or reverse the process so that's 771 00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:39,750 where a lot of the the heart of the 772 00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,060 argument lies I believe is if it's 773 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:43,680 man-made then we have to spend all this 774 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:45,569 money to do do something about it and of 775 00:35:49,309 --> 00:35:48,210 course the government's and a lot of the 776 00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:49,319 businesses they're not gonna want to 777 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:51,240 spend that money to do that they're not 778 00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:53,250 going to want to put filters on their 779 00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,619 smokestacks and and you know retool 780 00:36:00,440 --> 00:35:58,560 their their massive factories and all of 781 00:36:01,579 --> 00:36:00,450 the regulations on our motor vehicles 782 00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:01,589 and things like that you're gonna even 783 00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,020 have private individuals that they're 784 00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:06,480 gonna have to change their ways to try 785 00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:08,910 to correct global warming but if it's a 786 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:11,220 natural effect then why spend all the 787 00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:13,170 money when it's gonna happen it anyway 788 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:15,540 so it all comes down to money it all 789 00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:17,609 comes down to how much do we have to be 790 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:19,710 inconvenienced and how much cash are we 791 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:20,970 gonna have to throw at the problem to 792 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:22,890 try to get it fixed maybe we can look at 793 00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:25,410 motivations in our next segment why 794 00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:27,060 governments would want us to believe 795 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:29,430 there is man-made global warming and 796 00:36:33,530 --> 00:36:31,410 that woman made just man mate 797 00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:33,540 but now we have to take care of well a 798 00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:35,640 piece of business of course our listener 799 00:36:39,940 --> 00:36:37,380 roundtable continues with Gina and Chris 800 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Chris I think one thing that 886 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:25,550 we all have to kind of bear in mind here 887 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:28,130 is that we have China is rapidly 888 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:30,890 approaching the 21st century 889 00:41:35,230 --> 00:41:33,410 I forget that the number of coal-fired 890 00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:35,240 plants that are coming online every week 891 00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:37,820 but you have the emerging third world 892 00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:40,460 countries that are starting to build 893 00:41:46,930 --> 00:41:44,390 cold coal-fired plants and you know pump 894 00:41:49,330 --> 00:41:46,940 a lot of greenhouse gases into the 895 00:41:50,890 --> 00:41:49,340 atmosphere and we say well you have to 896 00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,900 you know do a rider and this and that 897 00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,640 and he said well for the last 150 years 898 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:54,560 you guys haven't so why should we and 899 00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:57,770 and that's a good point I think I I do 900 00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,040 agree that that if if there's some way 901 00:42:05,860 --> 00:42:03,920 to try to you know lessen our carbon 902 00:42:07,450 --> 00:42:05,870 footprint that we should do it but I 903 00:42:09,790 --> 00:42:07,460 think the planet is gonna have a lot 904 00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:09,800 more to say about this then science 905 00:42:15,610 --> 00:42:12,470 possibly in many ways is going to give 906 00:42:17,410 --> 00:42:15,620 science credit I think if we do see you 907 00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:17,420 know an increase of fresh water and the 908 00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:19,400 decrease of salinity in the oceans it's 909 00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:21,710 gonna stop you know slow down and stop 910 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:24,470 some of the large thermal conveyor belts 911 00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:26,570 of water that bring warm water from the 912 00:42:31,420 --> 00:42:28,910 equator to the poles and this could 913 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:31,430 actually trigger an ice age so the 914 00:42:36,490 --> 00:42:33,490 planet it seems to me is a 915 00:42:38,590 --> 00:42:36,500 self-regulated system and we just have 916 00:42:40,030 --> 00:42:38,600 to be aware that what we think we're 917 00:42:41,470 --> 00:42:40,040 going towards might end up actually 918 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:41,480 being the opposite we might we might 919 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:43,690 actually be triggering an ice age 920 00:42:49,540 --> 00:42:47,450 because of global warming let me throw 921 00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:49,550 off the question that Rice's would 922 00:42:57,730 --> 00:42:53,390 anyone in this group think that maybe 923 00:43:00,310 --> 00:42:57,740 UFOs are here to warn us to make us 924 00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,320 think about what's going on to warn us 925 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:03,200 of what's going on and to alert us to 926 00:43:08,590 --> 00:43:05,810 change our ways anyone want to jump in I 927 00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:08,600 don't believe that to be the case and we 928 00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:10,430 need to remember that 929 00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:14,980 in 1970s ice age was a looming threat 930 00:43:24,059 --> 00:43:18,680 where that though right 931 00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,069 it quickly since they there was no 932 00:43:30,490 --> 00:43:26,720 significant cooling after they made 933 00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:30,500 those statements they changed the to a 934 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:34,390 new threat you know the depleting ozone 935 00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:39,430 then that didn't seem to be any threat 936 00:43:46,359 --> 00:43:44,270 so they changed it to global warming let 937 00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:46,369 me ask you a question Dean where's the 938 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:48,200 advantage to a government saying there 939 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:49,970 is global warming we've got to do 940 00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:52,250 something about it how do they profit 941 00:43:59,289 --> 00:43:54,529 how do they benefit well they tried to 942 00:44:02,950 --> 00:43:59,299 hold carbon trading scheme and that 943 00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:02,960 seems to be fizzling out the benefit how 944 00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:06,430 do they benefit from doing that well 945 00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:09,440 money in control okay so the 946 00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:11,510 government's get money the governments 947 00:44:16,289 --> 00:44:12,950 get control I would think private 948 00:44:20,490 --> 00:44:16,299 industry the companies who build the 949 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:20,500 pollution preventative machinery or 950 00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:23,210 whatever those are the ones who will 951 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:26,720 benefit but how would it benefit well I 952 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:30,410 think the people that are involved with 953 00:44:38,620 --> 00:44:36,170 these these types of new industries that 954 00:44:41,049 --> 00:44:38,630 are spawning off it are probably 955 00:44:43,930 --> 00:44:41,059 involved higher levels of government 956 00:44:48,819 --> 00:44:43,940 look at Al Gore he tried the carbon 957 00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:48,829 trading company he indicated that the 958 00:44:55,269 --> 00:44:51,710 seas were gonna rise you know 20 feet 959 00:45:01,390 --> 00:44:55,279 and at the same time he's buying homes 960 00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:01,400 on an oceanfront so he didn't really 961 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:03,950 make sense to me so the okay so you're 962 00:45:11,049 --> 00:45:07,730 saying then that Al Gore simply wanted a 963 00:45:13,059 --> 00:45:11,059 profit from it crazy yes absolutely yes 964 00:45:14,589 --> 00:45:13,069 go ahead please I was just gonna make a 965 00:45:20,170 --> 00:45:14,599 comment I think that governments can use 966 00:45:23,059 --> 00:45:20,180 it as a excuse to raise taxes to funnel 967 00:45:24,799 --> 00:45:23,069 money into the science and 968 00:45:26,479 --> 00:45:24,809 programs like that to try to do these 969 00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:26,489 researches there were a lot of 970 00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:28,049 scientists who got you know major 971 00:45:31,999 --> 00:45:30,119 government grants because they were Pro 972 00:45:34,279 --> 00:45:32,009 global warming and what we need to study 973 00:45:36,349 --> 00:45:34,289 this more and so we're gonna need you 974 00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:36,359 know a couple of hundred thousand 975 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:38,579 dollars to be able to study this so it 976 00:45:44,329 --> 00:45:40,650 global warming was a moneymaker for a 977 00:45:46,579 --> 00:45:44,339 lot of people for auto manufacturers and 978 00:45:49,849 --> 00:45:46,589 other manufacturing companies of course 979 00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:49,859 it was a money taker so you had a shift 980 00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:53,339 of finances going from businesses and a 981 00:45:57,229 --> 00:45:55,079 lot of times being funneled from through 982 00:45:59,180 --> 00:45:57,239 government and government of course took 983 00:46:01,160 --> 00:45:59,190 their took their shirt off the top I 984 00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,170 think if you take you share what do you 985 00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:03,119 do with it hire more people right now 986 00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:05,099 we're in a climate where government is 987 00:46:08,839 --> 00:46:06,660 being cut down I mean in the last three 988 00:46:10,759 --> 00:46:08,849 or four years I think over half a 989 00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:10,769 million government workers have been 990 00:46:13,489 --> 00:46:11,190 fired 991 00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:13,499 you can hire more people or you can give 992 00:46:17,509 --> 00:46:14,609 the people that are already on the 993 00:46:18,459 --> 00:46:17,519 payroll raises okay but where has that 994 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:18,469 happened 995 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:23,249 raises nobody's doing that now I mean 996 00:46:27,799 --> 00:46:25,410 the way the climate is now the political 997 00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:27,809 climate no one wants to hire more 998 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:29,670 government workers therefore government 999 00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:32,729 workers are losing their jobs salary 1000 00:46:37,309 --> 00:46:34,440 increases are minimal 1001 00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:37,319 so I fail to see I can see where private 1002 00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:39,660 industry benefits that would make sense 1003 00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:42,209 any time you have a concerted program to 1004 00:46:46,219 --> 00:46:44,609 do something to change something people 1005 00:46:48,499 --> 00:46:46,229 will take advantage of it with their 1006 00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:48,509 products or services but if governments 1007 00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:50,940 are being stagnated they don't have the 1008 00:46:55,939 --> 00:46:53,369 budgets anymore that cutting down where 1009 00:46:58,459 --> 00:46:55,949 is their benefit to this well if I could 1010 00:47:00,729 --> 00:46:58,469 interject there briefly the most obvious 1011 00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:00,739 one is with the whole carbon trading 1012 00:47:04,579 --> 00:47:03,209 credits program that's out there where 1013 00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:04,589 the governments of the different 1014 00:47:08,299 --> 00:47:05,880 countries that are involved around the 1015 00:47:09,979 --> 00:47:08,309 world assess all this and decide which 1016 00:47:13,339 --> 00:47:09,989 countries have to pay other countries 1017 00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:13,349 huge amounts of money to make up for 1018 00:47:17,989 --> 00:47:16,140 their contribution to the their carbon 1019 00:47:18,949 --> 00:47:17,999 footprint yep this doesn't even make 1020 00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:18,959 sense to me 1021 00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:20,940 trading money how does that clean up the 1022 00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:22,440 environment if you just hand somebody a 1023 00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:24,390 cheque oh I agree with you completely 1024 00:47:27,799 --> 00:47:26,190 gene I'm just saying that that's where 1025 00:47:30,170 --> 00:47:27,809 it is I know where it is it just doesn't 1026 00:47:33,439 --> 00:47:30,180 make sense it there's no logic behind it 1027 00:47:35,299 --> 00:47:33,449 like for example there's a company that 1028 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:35,309 we know about that's a webhost they have 1029 00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:36,930 a data center in 1030 00:47:40,609 --> 00:47:38,760 Kansas and they claim to be 1031 00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:40,619 environmentally safe how are they 1032 00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:42,500 environmentally safe because they pay 1033 00:47:46,569 --> 00:47:45,000 carbon credits to somebody well it 1034 00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:46,579 doesn't make them use less electricity 1035 00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:48,599 it doesn't make them to have more 1036 00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:50,819 efficient power all they're doing is 1037 00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:53,760 playing paper well actually I think it 1038 00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:55,380 actually contributes to it because 1039 00:47:59,420 --> 00:47:57,510 what's happening is that the countries 1040 00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:59,430 that contribute less of a carbon 1041 00:48:02,540 --> 00:48:01,079 footprint are the ones who are receiving 1042 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:02,550 the money for their industrial 1043 00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,609 development so it really it's 1044 00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:07,920 counterproductive in a way in my opinion 1045 00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:10,230 but I can see where that's where the 1046 00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:12,180 government's could benefit not 1047 00:48:16,579 --> 00:48:13,740 necessarily the people and not 1048 00:48:18,460 --> 00:48:16,589 necessarily making the environment a 1049 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:18,470 safer places you've just pointed out 1050 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:20,010 there you go 1051 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:22,770 speaking of governments every so often 1052 00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:25,530 we have to raise the d-word disclosure 1053 00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:27,990 and I think most of us on the power cast 1054 00:48:32,420 --> 00:48:29,640 who said we don't believe it let's ask 1055 00:48:37,819 --> 00:48:32,430 our listener Roundtable GOx what do you 1056 00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:37,829 think yeah there's no real incentive for 1057 00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,280 any government to to disclose and I 1058 00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:43,680 think it's Chris that quite often says 1059 00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:46,380 you know disclose what we don't even 1060 00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:51,960 know what any government might may or 1061 00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:53,640 may not know and most of us would 1062 00:48:57,470 --> 00:48:55,740 probably would agree if one government 1063 00:49:00,789 --> 00:48:57,480 was going to know the most it would 1064 00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,799 probably be the United States or Russia 1065 00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:02,880 considering you know the geographical 1066 00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:07,980 size but yeah I I and I'm also agree 1067 00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:10,680 with Richard Dolan he says that it it it 1068 00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:13,380 can't happen but it must happen and I 1069 00:49:18,859 --> 00:49:15,660 think the way if it will happen it might 1070 00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:18,869 come somehow through WikiLeaks or just 1071 00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:22,500 by sheer volume of persuasion of numbers 1072 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:24,390 of people on the internet because the 1073 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:26,730 internet seems to be you know in the in 1074 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:28,530 the past you could maybe control the 1075 00:49:32,839 --> 00:49:30,450 press and and the six o'clock news on 1076 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:32,849 television and keep the stuff out 1077 00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:35,730 certainly in the UK the government can 1078 00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:38,940 slap on any broadcaster what's called a 1079 00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:41,910 list D notice which basically says you 1080 00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:44,700 could go ahead with this story but it 1081 00:49:48,540 --> 00:49:46,710 might be and against the national 1082 00:49:50,730 --> 00:49:48,550 security interest 1083 00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:50,740 and so no one ever goes against these 1084 00:49:55,590 --> 00:49:53,110 things but but now there's there's so 1085 00:49:57,780 --> 00:49:55,600 much more avenues for news to get to 1086 00:50:02,220 --> 00:49:57,790 people we all know there's so many 1087 00:50:03,570 --> 00:50:02,230 useless fake UFO videos on YouTube but 1088 00:50:06,090 --> 00:50:03,580 there's going to be a percentage that 1089 00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:06,100 are real and I'm sure that more people 1090 00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:08,830 are going to be exposed to this than 1091 00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:11,110 there would have been when in the past 1092 00:50:16,590 --> 00:50:14,230 you saw the old documentary in a decade 1093 00:50:19,110 --> 00:50:16,600 or you would have to pick up a UFO book 1094 00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:19,120 itself so I certainly think more people 1095 00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:21,640 in the world are being exposed to the 1096 00:50:25,860 --> 00:50:24,880 possibility of a UFO reality I certainly 1097 00:50:29,010 --> 00:50:25,870 hope so 1098 00:50:31,290 --> 00:50:29,020 I was just actually reading a piece by 1099 00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:31,300 Nick Redfern on the mysterious universe 1100 00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:34,480 site about some couple of security 1101 00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:39,070 guards who saw a UFO over our GCHQ 1102 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:41,800 building which is Britain's equivalent 1103 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:44,770 of the NSA Fort Meade and iyx worked 1104 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:47,530 there for a short time and I had no idea 1105 00:50:52,830 --> 00:50:50,490 you know this was a big deal in the 90s 1106 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:52,840 what are you doing over there what kind 1107 00:50:56,850 --> 00:50:54,610 of job did you have well I was in 1108 00:50:59,160 --> 00:50:56,860 signals intelligence in the Royal Navy 1109 00:51:02,730 --> 00:50:59,170 and they have there's what's called the 1110 00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:02,740 joint service signals unit DSS you that 1111 00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:05,110 occupies one kind of wing of this 1112 00:51:10,170 --> 00:51:07,240 doughnut ship doughnut shaped building 1113 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:10,180 and we would just be intercepting you 1114 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:13,450 know all kinds of signals voice data 1115 00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:16,210 whatever well I have to go into much 1116 00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:17,710 more of this we got a lot more to 1117 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:19,870 discuss and our guest lists includes 1118 00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:22,570 GOG Makai I think I got it right this 1119 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:24,910 time Dean better known as pixel Smith 1120 00:51:29,490 --> 00:51:27,850 Randall known as ufology Jeff who is 1121 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:29,500 known as sand and fire with Gene and 1122 00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:31,450 Chris known as gene and Chris you're in 1123 00:51:41,299 --> 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00:53:46,840 years in service to the natural health 1179 00:54:04,359 --> 00:54:00,049 welcome back into the para cast the gold 1180 00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:04,369 standard of paranormal radio and now 1181 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:13,079 here's Jane Steinberg so did the cable 1182 00:54:18,739 --> 00:54:16,890 guy take Chris's cable or Tarrant he's 1183 00:54:21,769 --> 00:54:18,749 had cable problems with his microphone 1184 00:54:24,469 --> 00:54:21,779 it's just a USB cable folks with Tina 1185 00:54:27,259 --> 00:54:24,479 and Chris of the power cast we got dogs 1186 00:54:29,749 --> 00:54:27,269 and Dean and Randall and Jeff we're 1187 00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:29,759 talking about disclosure what the 1188 00:54:34,819 --> 00:54:31,529 government knows when did they know it 1189 00:54:36,499 --> 00:54:34,829 and when we get to our next guest here 1190 00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:36,509 Jeff I'll ask you what about the 1191 00:54:41,959 --> 00:54:39,689 possibility of gradual disclosure that 1192 00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:41,969 we're now seeing more and more evidence 1193 00:54:48,279 --> 00:54:44,670 that we have earth-like planets around 1194 00:54:51,140 --> 00:54:48,289 the galaxy in humongous quantities 1195 00:54:53,509 --> 00:54:51,150 earth-like planets breeding life some 1196 00:54:55,939 --> 00:54:53,519 more advanced maybe they're coming here 1197 00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,949 is that a process of gradual disclosure 1198 00:54:59,299 --> 00:54:57,599 what do you think I don't believe so I 1199 00:55:01,699 --> 00:54:59,309 think that the finding of planets was a 1200 00:55:03,799 --> 00:55:01,709 natural part of the field of astronomy 1201 00:55:08,329 --> 00:55:03,809 and I think that was a long time coming 1202 00:55:11,289 --> 00:55:08,339 but I don't think I have a really hard 1203 00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:11,299 time subscribing to any kind of 1204 00:55:18,289 --> 00:55:14,689 conspiracy type process that the the 1205 00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:18,299 revelation of planets being discovered 1206 00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:21,660 around distant solar systems is evidence 1207 00:55:27,499 --> 00:55:25,140 of aliens coming here I suppose another 1208 00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:27,509 logical step would be to really take a 1209 00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:29,369 look at those plans to see if there's 1210 00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:32,640 any chemical signatures methane and 1211 00:55:36,109 --> 00:55:33,900 things of that nature within the 1212 00:55:39,169 --> 00:55:36,119 atmosphere to see if maybe there is life 1213 00:55:41,809 --> 00:55:39,179 on those planets but I don't think that 1214 00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:41,819 NASA or the United States government or 1215 00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:44,880 any government on this planet is slowly 1216 00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:47,910 feeding this process out to the general 1217 00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:50,910 public to you know spring it on us that 1218 00:55:56,779 --> 00:55:54,660 oh yeah here's here's a planet 50 1219 00:55:58,729 --> 00:55:56,789 light-years away that's earth-like and 1220 00:56:02,449 --> 00:55:58,739 oh by the way their inhabitants have 1221 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:02,459 been visiting us for the last 200 250 1222 00:56:06,949 --> 00:56:04,410 thousand years or whatever even if they 1223 00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,959 don't know where they're coming from the 1224 00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:08,880 possibility here is instead 1225 00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:11,670 of a sudden revelation which would cause 1226 00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:13,590 all sorts of side-effects as we might 1227 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:15,960 imagine if you do it gradually where you 1228 00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:18,210 wake up one day and say oh okay that's 1229 00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:20,190 what's happening maybe people will 1230 00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:22,800 accept it more I mean that logically 1231 00:56:29,150 --> 00:56:26,520 sounds feasible but I just don't 1232 00:56:30,980 --> 00:56:29,160 subscribe to that idea that it's it's 1233 00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:30,990 actually happening I think that it's 1234 00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:32,790 it's a completely separate process I 1235 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:34,710 think you have the astronomers who are 1236 00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:38,250 just following their own leads and then 1237 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:40,500 you have the UFO field and people are 1238 00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,810 just watching the astronomers going okay 1239 00:56:47,090 --> 00:56:44,160 maybe that's where they're from and 1240 00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,100 things of that nature okay Randall what 1241 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:49,200 do you think well I think it's pretty 1242 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:51,450 obvious that there has been some slow 1243 00:56:55,820 --> 00:56:54,690 disclosure begrudgingly if not for the 1244 00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:55,830 evidence that we've seen from the 1245 00:56:59,780 --> 00:56:57,450 Freedom of Information requests that 1246 00:57:02,690 --> 00:56:59,790 have been made over the years and just 1247 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:02,700 from the evidence of researchers who've 1248 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:05,010 gone into the National Archives and 1249 00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:06,930 called out see Declassified formerly 1250 00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:09,540 top-secret documents that are there we 1251 00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:11,880 know that they knew a lot more than we 1252 00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:14,070 knew back then and they still know a lot 1253 00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,240 more than we know now 1254 00:57:19,940 --> 00:57:17,760 but this brings up a really good 1255 00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:19,950 question actually from one of our forum 1256 00:57:26,540 --> 00:57:22,920 people burnt slate and what he wanted to 1257 00:57:28,610 --> 00:57:26,550 us to talk about or comment on is to 1258 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:28,620 identify the historical and contemporary 1259 00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:30,690 figures that have gotten us closer to 1260 00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:32,280 understanding the facets of this 1261 00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:34,980 mechanism who are the best authors who 1262 00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,510 the people who've done the real solid 1263 00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:37,920 research to get us closer to 1264 00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:39,900 understanding the truth about this I 1265 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:41,880 myself I would mention 1266 00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:44,490 authors like Timothy good Jerome Clarke 1267 00:57:49,580 --> 00:57:47,100 has done some excellent historical 1268 00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:49,590 research in that field and there's even 1269 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:52,190 some people from MUFON who've recently 1270 00:57:56,180 --> 00:57:54,690 released a new title all about UFOs and 1271 00:57:58,790 --> 00:57:56,190 governments it's a historical 1272 00:58:01,460 --> 00:57:58,800 documentary on it so it's taking place 1273 00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:01,470 slowly will it happen all at once I 1274 00:58:05,570 --> 00:58:03,300 don't think so unless we actually see 1275 00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,580 some sort of action on the part of the 1276 00:58:12,490 --> 00:58:08,640 UFOs themselves Dean what's your take I 1277 00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:12,500 don't see any disclosure happening until 1278 00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,380 the probe probe erbil of saucer landing 1279 00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:18,960 on the White House lawn type scenario I 1280 00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:21,270 think it's very obvious 1281 00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:24,420 we do have visitations I'm not sure 1282 00:58:32,540 --> 00:58:28,800 where they come from but I don't think 1283 00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:32,550 it's gonna happen until something lands 1284 00:58:38,180 --> 00:58:35,190 on the ground and everybody sees it and 1285 00:58:40,090 --> 00:58:38,190 that may never happen in a way that we 1286 00:58:43,570 --> 00:58:40,100 had accepted God's what do you think 1287 00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:43,580 yeah I don't see it happening officially 1288 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:46,500 but there as I said before there may be 1289 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:49,530 something like a WikiLeaks leaked of of 1290 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:53,850 an undeniably you know through document 1291 00:58:57,950 --> 00:58:55,890 or something it may it might it may 1292 00:59:00,140 --> 00:58:57,960 happen by uh by accident suppose that's 1293 00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,150 what I'm saying I think the other theory 1294 00:59:05,420 --> 00:59:02,880 has it here that the secret if it exists 1295 00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:05,430 at all we sent off the private industry 1296 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:07,830 so it's not so easy to find so even if 1297 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:09,450 something comes up in a government 1298 00:59:14,590 --> 00:59:11,490 document or freedom of information 1299 00:59:16,460 --> 00:59:14,600 whatever we wouldn't have ready 1300 00:59:18,140 --> 00:59:16,470 information as to where it's being held 1301 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:18,150 but private industry we don't know what 1302 00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:20,370 they're doing in their own laboratories 1303 00:59:26,090 --> 00:59:23,880 because they have proprietary programs 1304 00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:26,100 already because supposedly you don't 1305 00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:27,900 want your competitor to know what you're 1306 00:59:33,290 --> 00:59:30,480 doing you know Apple incorporated could 1307 00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:33,300 be the repository of the secret of UFOs 1308 00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:37,020 because they have a secrecy program you 1309 00:59:42,050 --> 00:59:39,240 know that's second to none now that's 1310 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:42,060 kind of wacky isn't it if I can chime in 1311 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:44,010 I think that and and this is going on 1312 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:47,010 the conspiracy side of things - but if 1313 00:59:53,570 --> 00:59:51,050 the disinformation project is real then 1314 00:59:56,210 --> 00:59:53,580 it's gonna be effective and if we do 1315 00:59:57,980 --> 00:59:56,220 have a leak of an a genuine government 1316 00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:57,990 document or the WikiLeaks or some 1317 01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,700 something like that people were just 1318 01:00:03,140 --> 01:00:01,200 gonna point to that and say well it was 1319 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:03,150 some kook or it's not real or it's fake 1320 01:00:07,940 --> 01:00:06,570 and the authenticity of whatever gets 1321 01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:07,950 leaked whatever piece of information 1322 01:00:13,940 --> 01:00:11,520 that could potentially lead to genuine 1323 01:00:16,850 --> 01:00:13,950 disclosure that authenticity is going to 1324 01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:16,860 face so much rigor I would venture to 1325 01:00:24,260 --> 01:00:19,500 say that the powers that be would be 1326 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:24,270 able to somehow discredit that piece of 1327 01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:26,010 information pretty effectively and 1328 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:28,110 silence it right back down again I mean 1329 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:29,850 I I hate to sound like the conspiracy 1330 01:00:33,830 --> 01:00:31,290 theorist here 1331 01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:33,840 who who says regardless of what we find 1332 01:00:38,650 --> 01:00:36,540 it's going to be stifled by you know Big 1333 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:38,660 Brother and all but I think that 1334 01:00:42,860 --> 01:00:40,650 assuming that the government has some 1335 01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:42,870 sort of very incriminating piece of 1336 01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,140 evidence about UFOs and alien visitation 1337 01:00:49,580 --> 01:00:48,240 and assuming that it does slip out I 1338 01:00:52,850 --> 01:00:49,590 think they can cover it up pretty well 1339 01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:52,860 just through the historical perspective 1340 01:00:59,090 --> 01:00:56,880 of the youth illogical field and the 1341 01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,100 quote-unquote Kooks that study those 1342 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:02,160 aliens from Mars and little green men so 1343 01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:05,930 you have the the concept that we can be 1344 01:01:10,700 --> 01:01:09,000 basically ridiculed in the silence even 1345 01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:10,710 if we do find or even if something is 1346 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:13,380 accidentally revealed in to the general 1347 01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,570 public and mainstream media but with 1348 01:01:21,020 --> 01:01:18,000 24/7 news cycle doesn't that make it a 1349 01:01:22,790 --> 01:01:21,030 lot harder to control the message I 1350 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:22,800 don't think so because within an hour 1351 01:01:25,970 --> 01:01:24,570 they could come back out and say oh well 1352 01:01:28,370 --> 01:01:25,980 the whole thing was a big joke anyway 1353 01:01:29,780 --> 01:01:28,380 yeah but believe the government's we 1354 01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:29,790 don't any government's anymore was that 1355 01:01:32,300 --> 01:01:31,470 the US Congress has an approval rating 1356 01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:32,310 of 10% 1357 01:01:36,830 --> 01:01:34,740 we barely believe anybody anymore we're 1358 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:36,840 jaded it's not like the 1950s where the 1359 01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:38,130 president says something they say oh 1360 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:42,000 okay that's the truth now here's 27 1361 01:01:45,460 --> 01:01:44,010 thousand reasons why not gods what's 1362 01:01:48,860 --> 01:01:45,470 your take on it 1363 01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:48,870 exactly I thought this one okay very 1364 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:50,310 good we're talking here I guess about 1365 01:01:54,260 --> 01:01:52,290 the possibility gradual disclosure if 1366 01:01:56,690 --> 01:01:54,270 there is such a thing governments with 1367 01:01:58,700 --> 01:01:56,700 guilty knowledge governments preventing 1368 01:02:02,120 --> 01:01:58,710 people from knowing the truth that sort 1369 01:02:05,420 --> 01:02:02,130 of thing yeah just I just wonder if M if 1370 01:02:08,540 --> 01:02:05,430 they got a push from somewhere else if 1371 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:08,550 there are such a thing as et craft hello 1372 01:02:12,830 --> 01:02:10,770 am I still online you're coming through 1373 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:12,840 that and clear go ahead oh it's all gone 1374 01:02:17,660 --> 01:02:15,330 silent here yeah if there is such a 1375 01:02:21,340 --> 01:02:17,670 thing as a été craft or for whatever 1376 01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:21,350 they're from visiting us here as I think 1377 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:24,420 Dean may be said or Randle the old White 1378 01:02:28,550 --> 01:02:26,610 House lawn thing if there is any 1379 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:28,560 collusion behind the scenes maybe 1380 01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:30,330 there's already in place an agreement 1381 01:02:37,220 --> 01:02:33,660 that after you know 150 years of 1382 01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:37,230 exposure to UFOs flying about in the sky 1383 01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,200 in modern age some announcement will be 1384 01:02:44,529 --> 01:02:42,720 made I find it hard to believe that the 1385 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:44,539 intention would be just to keep 1386 01:02:52,929 --> 01:02:48,410 quiet forever you know just till the end 1387 01:02:55,239 --> 01:02:52,939 of time but certainly on until me was it 1388 01:02:57,789 --> 01:02:55,249 was it from the RAND Corporation or the 1389 01:02:59,979 --> 01:02:57,799 CIA who sponsored the study that would 1390 01:03:02,380 --> 01:02:59,989 look at the impact of you know finding 1391 01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:02,390 extraterrestrial artifacts and things 1392 01:03:07,929 --> 01:03:04,640 like that what the effect that would 1393 01:03:10,749 --> 01:03:07,939 have on the population I don't know if 1394 01:03:13,959 --> 01:03:10,759 those studies actually mentioned if 1395 01:03:16,299 --> 01:03:13,969 after a certain amount of time to 1396 01:03:18,969 --> 01:03:16,309 exposure to these things that that you 1397 01:03:21,249 --> 01:03:18,979 could go ahead and 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are listening to round 1495 01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:18,350 table all these people very 1496 01:08:22,930 --> 01:08:19,909 knowledgeable about what's going on now 1497 01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:22,940 the thing I wonder here is how you can 1498 01:08:26,860 --> 01:08:24,710 keep a secret through generations 1499 01:08:29,610 --> 01:08:26,870 changes in leadership in the military 1500 01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:29,620 especially in the US I think in the UK 1501 01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:32,449 cogs correct me if I'm wrong you would 1502 01:08:39,099 --> 01:08:35,210 have more of a tradition there where 1503 01:08:41,260 --> 01:08:39,109 from father to son different generations 1504 01:08:44,110 --> 01:08:41,270 of the military and government offices 1505 01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:44,120 would be able to keep a consistent sort 1506 01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:47,330 of posture but in the u.s. I don't know 1507 01:08:51,879 --> 01:08:49,670 but I also have this picture here where 1508 01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:51,889 the president takes over new presence 1509 01:08:57,459 --> 01:08:55,250 sworn in and that day the National 1510 01:08:59,459 --> 01:08:57,469 Security Agency or some other agency 1511 01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,469 comes in to him and says mr. president 1512 01:09:04,809 --> 01:09:01,520 we have to tell you something 1513 01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:04,819 and this is something that is even above 1514 01:09:09,999 --> 01:09:07,850 your pay grade sir and if you say 1515 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:10,009 anything there will be a new president 1516 01:09:15,459 --> 01:09:13,130 taking oath of office by tomorrow anyone 1517 01:09:19,599 --> 01:09:15,469 have a reaction to that Dean I think 1518 01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:19,609 it's gonna be an individual that blows 1519 01:09:25,090 --> 01:09:22,159 the whole UFO thing wide open 1520 01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:25,100 like myself if I would have been another 1521 01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:28,370 couple hundred yards closer to what I 1522 01:09:35,950 --> 01:09:32,239 saw I think it would have been a very 1523 01:09:39,010 --> 01:09:35,960 interesting photograph so I don't think 1524 01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:39,020 we necessarily need the government in 1525 01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:41,270 any country to disclose anything with 1526 01:09:47,649 --> 01:09:45,040 everybody having cell phones and cameras 1527 01:09:50,019 --> 01:09:47,659 randomly available I think it's 1528 01:09:52,689 --> 01:09:50,029 inevitable there will be a really good 1529 01:09:54,459 --> 01:09:52,699 clear shot I don't know why it hasn't 1530 01:09:55,690 --> 01:09:54,469 happened that's the question I was going 1531 01:09:57,190 --> 01:09:55,700 to ask Dean but you 1532 01:09:58,990 --> 01:09:57,200 mentioned your own sighting tell our 1533 01:10:02,590 --> 01:09:59,000 listeners about it well I was actually 1534 01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:02,600 about seven years ago this month as I 1535 01:10:09,190 --> 01:10:05,780 recall and it was right near my home I 1536 01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:09,200 think I posted maps and such of my 1537 01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:12,800 sighting on the forum somewhere I I 1538 01:10:18,670 --> 01:10:16,790 don't know what it was that I saw it was 1539 01:10:22,510 --> 01:10:18,680 at arm's length 1540 01:10:25,870 --> 01:10:22,520 maybe the width of a nickle 50-cent 1541 01:10:31,150 --> 01:10:25,880 piece it was hovering over a field off 1542 01:10:35,370 --> 01:10:31,160 to my right for quite some time as we 1543 01:10:40,420 --> 01:10:35,380 got closer to it it started moving 1544 01:10:43,060 --> 01:10:40,430 slightly to the west I at that point I 1545 01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:43,070 pulled over it was freezing cold it was 1546 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:45,110 three below zero and blowing snow 1547 01:10:52,030 --> 01:10:48,970 sideways and that thing just sat there 1548 01:10:55,210 --> 01:10:52,040 nearly motionless I got out of the car 1549 01:10:59,140 --> 01:10:55,220 and it started moving away from me until 1550 01:11:01,230 --> 01:10:59,150 it went over a tree line and I got back 1551 01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:01,240 in the car and my girlfriend and I are 1552 01:11:10,030 --> 01:11:04,130 looking at each other like what the heck 1553 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:10,040 is that and I just started to leave pull 1554 01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:12,890 off onto the road again and now we saw 1555 01:11:17,260 --> 01:11:14,450 it coming back towards us 1556 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:17,270 and then it beard to the south and I 1557 01:11:25,570 --> 01:11:22,010 basically tasted until I couldn't keep 1558 01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:25,580 up with it anymore it was a it was quite 1559 01:11:32,650 --> 01:11:30,110 a chase on black ice very slippery I 1560 01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:32,660 think I was reaching speeds up to 80 1561 01:11:37,660 --> 01:11:34,880 miles an hour trying to keep up with it 1562 01:11:39,100 --> 01:11:37,670 I didn't think for a moment I'm going to 1563 01:11:42,730 --> 01:11:39,110 swerve off the road I'm not going to 1564 01:11:44,710 --> 01:11:42,740 survive this no it was so exciting to 1565 01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:44,720 see this thing it's it was my first 1566 01:11:51,010 --> 01:11:49,520 sighting and I it started getting away 1567 01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:51,020 from me and that's when I pulled over 1568 01:11:55,450 --> 01:11:52,910 again my girlfriend is screaming at me 1569 01:11:58,030 --> 01:11:55,460 to slow down and so I actually pulled 1570 01:12:02,470 --> 01:11:58,040 right over and jumped out again to try 1571 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:02,480 and get a photograph of that and that's 1572 01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:06,650 when a jet a small jet came right over 1573 01:12:13,410 --> 01:12:08,110 the top and 1574 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:13,420 I watched it chase this this UFO out of 1575 01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:16,210 sight at which point I called the 1576 01:12:20,729 --> 01:12:18,310 airport because the local medevac 1577 01:12:24,180 --> 01:12:20,739 helicopter comes over our place quite 1578 01:12:26,189 --> 01:12:24,190 often and I thought well that's a it's 1579 01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:26,199 dangerous to have that thing hovering so 1580 01:12:29,939 --> 01:12:27,760 so low to the ground I called the 1581 01:12:33,530 --> 01:12:29,949 airport they said there was nothing in 1582 01:12:36,090 --> 01:12:33,540 the area no aircraft whatsoever and I 1583 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:36,100 said that's not true a jet just chased 1584 01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:38,530 this thing out of sight they said no 1585 01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:40,239 there's no aircraft in that area and 1586 01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:42,820 they connected me with the FAA and they 1587 01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:45,190 said the same thing nothing more was 1588 01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:48,090 done I went home and I'm I'm still 1589 01:12:52,979 --> 01:12:51,310 amazed at when I saw any of our other 1590 01:12:56,850 --> 01:12:52,989 guests have sighting they want to talk 1591 01:12:59,580 --> 01:12:56,860 about China happened back in 1975 if 1592 01:13:01,859 --> 01:12:59,590 anyone's interested sir go ahead you 1593 01:13:04,770 --> 01:13:01,869 know this one was when I was living out 1594 01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:04,780 in Invermere British Columbia and I was 1595 01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:06,520 spending the night over at my 1596 01:13:10,379 --> 01:13:07,690 girlfriend's place while her parents 1597 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:10,389 were gone they had a ranch up on the on 1598 01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:12,250 the west side of the lake and we were 1599 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:13,570 sitting there looking out the window 1600 01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:17,130 when this glowing orb came up from 1601 01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:20,110 behind the mountains across the lake and 1602 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:22,719 and went down into the valley and three 1603 01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,610 big arcs well that night I watched that 1604 01:13:31,979 --> 01:13:29,440 thing actually this it came up again 1605 01:13:34,410 --> 01:13:31,989 later on out of the forest 1606 01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:34,420 and did this big infinity symbol in the 1607 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:36,880 air and I said if the three of us saw 1608 01:13:42,629 --> 01:13:40,570 that the second time - and then I stayed 1609 01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:42,639 awake all night it came up again and did 1610 01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:45,250 that one more time stopped instantly 1611 01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:47,170 went back down into the forest and then 1612 01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:50,800 later on came up did this symbol again 1613 01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,650 and in the morning just as it was 1614 01:13:57,450 --> 01:13:55,600 getting light outside I went outside on 1615 01:13:58,979 --> 01:13:57,460 the deck and I had a straight line of 1616 01:14:01,950 --> 01:13:58,989 sight view of this thing across the 1617 01:14:04,979 --> 01:14:01,960 valley it got really bright and instead 1618 01:14:07,709 --> 01:14:04,989 of doing this symbol in the sky that it 1619 01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:07,719 did it instantly took off in a streak of 1620 01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:10,449 light north up the valley as far as I 1621 01:14:15,109 --> 01:14:12,159 could see in the time it takes you to 1622 01:14:17,729 --> 01:14:15,119 snap your fingers and there is nothing 1623 01:14:19,469 --> 01:14:17,739 natural or man-made that I can think of 1624 01:14:21,629 --> 01:14:19,479 that can explain that 1625 01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:21,639 okay GOG did you have a sighting to 1626 01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:25,920 report no I'm like yourself Jean I have 1627 01:14:32,729 --> 01:14:28,510 definitely never seen anything this guy 1628 01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:32,739 that I can't identify but that M I 1629 01:14:38,189 --> 01:14:35,920 believe it was arthur c clarke who has 1630 01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:38,199 said that if you haven't seen that UFO 1631 01:14:42,419 --> 01:14:39,760 it's either because you're not very 1632 01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:42,429 observant or you live somewhere where 1633 01:14:46,620 --> 01:14:44,289 it's cloudy i live somewhere but it's 1634 01:14:49,259 --> 01:14:46,630 cloudy well that's your excuse actually 1635 01:14:51,149 --> 01:14:49,269 i have to amend that i realize i didn't 1636 01:14:53,759 --> 01:14:51,159 realize this before but i was looking at 1637 01:14:56,580 --> 01:14:53,769 the text of a magazine article i wrote 1638 01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:56,590 in 1971 that ages me ladies and 1639 01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:57,760 gentlemen i'm actually four hundred 1640 01:15:01,290 --> 01:14:59,679 years old i've got that picture in the 1641 01:15:03,449 --> 01:15:01,300 closet that was getting over anyway i 1642 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:03,459 looked there I did have a sort of UFO 1643 01:15:07,020 --> 01:15:05,050 sighting you know something up in the 1644 01:15:09,029 --> 01:15:07,030 sky made a rapid-fire maneuver and 1645 01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:09,039 disappeared it wasn't very much it 1646 01:15:13,729 --> 01:15:12,070 lasted a few seconds and I forgot all 1647 01:15:16,109 --> 01:15:13,739 about it after writing this article 1648 01:15:19,259 --> 01:15:16,119 literally speaking I wrote this article 1649 01:15:23,729 --> 01:15:19,269 as I said in 1971 published the magazine 1650 01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:23,739 and then left my mind there you go Jeff 1651 01:15:32,009 --> 01:15:28,050 any sightings I'm kind of like Eugene I 1652 01:15:35,819 --> 01:15:32,019 saw something fourth of July two years 1653 01:15:37,589 --> 01:15:35,829 ago that was amber in color and I saw it 1654 01:15:39,989 --> 01:15:37,599 through some trees and but it was just a 1655 01:15:45,209 --> 01:15:39,999 it was just a dot of light and it moved 1656 01:15:48,330 --> 01:15:45,219 quickly and the the UFO people around 1657 01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:48,340 where I live they report a lot of amber 1658 01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:50,260 colored lights and orbs and things of 1659 01:15:55,049 --> 01:15:53,110 that nature in the sky so maybe yes 1660 01:15:58,169 --> 01:15:55,059 maybe no it could have been a low-lying 1661 01:16:02,129 --> 01:15:58,179 helicopter anything like that I I remain 1662 01:16:03,719 --> 01:16:02,139 skeptical myself but yeah the only 1663 01:16:06,540 --> 01:16:03,729 paranormal experience I had wasn't 1664 01:16:09,449 --> 01:16:06,550 ufo-related I think it was more more of 1665 01:16:11,699 --> 01:16:09,459 a haunting type relation which is what I 1666 01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:11,709 more have studied in the last five years 1667 01:16:15,959 --> 01:16:14,170 than UFOs although I'm far more 1668 01:16:18,540 --> 01:16:15,969 interested in UFOs these days but 1669 01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,550 nothing nothing really compelling as far 1670 01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:20,800 as UFOs go I'm going to ask you about 1671 01:16:26,189 --> 01:16:23,110 the haunting instance in a moment that's 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01:20:28,000 and handling go to our n a free sample 1757 01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:28,750 com 1758 01:20:41,130 --> 01:20:36,489 me toll free at 8 8 a 5 7 7 3 7 o 3 1759 01:20:43,530 --> 01:20:41,140 that's 8 8 8 5 7 7 3 7 o 3 RNA free 1760 01:20:44,770 --> 01:20:43,540 sample comm discover the more that's 1761 01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:44,780 waiting for you 1762 01:20:57,819 --> 01:20:54,160 either to make Pope your thing to the 1763 01:20:59,620 --> 01:20:57,829 Parrikar our listener roundtable 1764 01:21:03,299 --> 01:20:59,630 continues into the second half of the 1765 01:21:06,399 --> 01:21:03,309 show with Jeff Randall Dean and gags 1766 01:21:08,290 --> 01:21:06,409 Jeff you're very much involved with 1767 01:21:10,299 --> 01:21:08,300 hauntings you have a website up there 1768 01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:10,309 that covers some of that stuff tell us 1769 01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:14,090 about it five years ago five six years 1770 01:21:18,910 --> 01:21:16,610 ago or so me and my wife got interested 1771 01:21:21,700 --> 01:21:18,920 in the whole ghost hunting paranormal 1772 01:21:24,339 --> 01:21:21,710 research type of thing we're a product 1773 01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:24,349 of the ghost hunters television show the 1774 01:21:29,740 --> 01:21:26,840 paranormal state television show that's 1775 01:21:33,700 --> 01:21:29,750 where we got interested in looking into 1776 01:21:34,979 --> 01:21:33,710 paranormal research and so we we did the 1777 01:21:37,859 --> 01:21:34,989 paint by the numbers 1778 01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:37,869 process of joining a ghost hunting group 1779 01:21:42,189 --> 01:21:40,159 breaking off from that group and forming 1780 01:21:44,979 --> 01:21:42,199 a more serious ghost hunting group and 1781 01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:44,989 then that group fell apart and so we we 1782 01:21:52,510 --> 01:21:47,840 still kind of do the ghost hunting once 1783 01:21:55,359 --> 01:21:52,520 in a while but my wife is she's more of 1784 01:21:57,100 --> 01:21:55,369 the leader of the group I've stepped 1785 01:21:58,510 --> 01:21:57,110 down and stepped away from that I'm more 1786 01:22:02,859 --> 01:21:58,520 into the UFOs and things of that nature 1787 01:22:04,899 --> 01:22:02,869 but we do still participate in a couple 1788 01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:04,909 of investigations and a couple of what I 1789 01:22:09,220 --> 01:22:07,610 call amusement park ghost hunts where 1790 01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:09,230 you go someplace and you have to pay 1791 01:22:14,799 --> 01:22:11,210 some money to go in there and supposedly 1792 01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:14,809 have some encounters my wife's are more 1793 01:22:18,970 --> 01:22:16,010 on the believer side 1794 01:22:21,069 --> 01:22:18,980 she believes herself to be sensitive to 1795 01:22:23,890 --> 01:22:21,079 spirits and spirit energy and all that 1796 01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:23,900 good stuff I'm far more on the skeptical 1797 01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:26,719 side especially recently nowadays we 1798 01:22:30,129 --> 01:22:28,489 balance each other out pretty well when 1799 01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,139 we have experiences or don't have 1800 01:22:35,890 --> 01:22:32,000 experiences we kind of keep each other 1801 01:22:38,140 --> 01:22:35,900 in check and but she'll be quick to tell 1802 01:22:40,330 --> 01:22:38,150 you that on the skeptical jerk that that 1803 01:22:43,569 --> 01:22:40,340 always rains on her parade whenever she 1804 01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:43,579 sees something really good I think there 1805 01:22:48,910 --> 01:22:46,030 are some interesting family discussions 1806 01:22:51,370 --> 01:22:48,920 yeah yeah we have we have some 1807 01:22:53,589 --> 01:22:51,380 discussions when she makes me listen to 1808 01:22:54,850 --> 01:22:53,599 sound bites three or four times and I 1809 01:22:56,979 --> 01:22:54,860 don't have to look at her and say you 1810 01:22:58,509 --> 01:22:56,989 know what if you want to hear a crying 1811 01:22:59,950 --> 01:22:58,519 ghost baby in the background you can 1812 01:23:02,959 --> 01:22:59,960 hear that item 1813 01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:02,969 so there you go speaking of ghosts let's 1814 01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:04,050 talk to the rest of the crew here 1815 01:23:08,930 --> 01:23:06,330 Randall of course your name is ufology 1816 01:23:11,359 --> 01:23:08,940 so do you have an interest in hauntings 1817 01:23:13,729 --> 01:23:11,369 and such well I'm interested in anything 1818 01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:13,739 that can be connected in some way to the 1819 01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:18,090 UFO phenomena and I've had are pretty 1820 01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:20,310 incredible what'd you call it ghost 1821 01:23:25,939 --> 01:23:23,210 experience I guess back in my teens 1822 01:23:27,379 --> 01:23:25,949 around the same time actually that I had 1823 01:23:30,260 --> 01:23:27,389 that UFO sighting I was talking about 1824 01:23:33,010 --> 01:23:30,270 earlier and it's it's quite long and and 1825 01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:33,020 convoluted but it left me with 1826 01:23:39,140 --> 01:23:36,000 absolutely no doubt that the phenomena 1827 01:23:40,729 --> 01:23:39,150 exists exactly what it is is what I 1828 01:23:43,850 --> 01:23:40,739 questioned I think there's a tendency 1829 01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:43,860 for people to bring these experiences 1830 01:23:49,070 --> 01:23:47,040 into their own paradigms particularly 1831 01:23:51,740 --> 01:23:49,080 religious ones involving life after 1832 01:23:54,169 --> 01:23:51,750 death and so on and I'm not convinced 1833 01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:54,179 that that's necessarily what they are I 1834 01:24:00,500 --> 01:23:57,600 think that those experiences virtually 1835 01:24:02,959 --> 01:24:00,510 almost every paranormal phenomena that 1836 01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:02,969 you can think of apart from mental 1837 01:24:07,459 --> 01:24:05,250 telepathy and such can be explained by 1838 01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:07,469 some kind of higher technology that 1839 01:24:12,890 --> 01:24:09,840 could be connected with this UFO 1840 01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:12,900 phenomena in style how so that's a very 1841 01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:15,360 interesting point to raise how would UFO 1842 01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:17,130 technology have anything to do with 1843 01:24:22,810 --> 01:24:20,159 seeing a ghost well when you read about 1844 01:24:25,459 --> 01:24:22,820 the reports of UFOs you read about 1845 01:24:28,370 --> 01:24:25,469 technology that seems to defy gravity 1846 01:24:30,979 --> 01:24:28,380 you read reports about apparitions and 1847 01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:30,989 seem to be able to do things that defy 1848 01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:33,480 gravity moving furniture levitating 1849 01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:36,570 things you tend to see reports about 1850 01:24:40,430 --> 01:24:38,760 UFOs disappearing is if they've got some 1851 01:24:41,930 --> 01:24:40,440 kind of cloaking shield or something 1852 01:24:44,300 --> 01:24:41,940 along those lines which implies that 1853 01:24:46,669 --> 01:24:44,310 perhaps if there are beings from these 1854 01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:46,679 machines that they can also have some 1855 01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:49,170 sort of cloaking technology that they've 1856 01:24:55,689 --> 01:24:52,170 incorporated into their suits that could 1857 01:24:59,000 --> 01:24:55,699 lead to this type of visibility and 1858 01:25:01,070 --> 01:24:59,010 sometimes sparkling apparitions or other 1859 01:25:03,050 --> 01:25:01,080 things virtually you they could change 1860 01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:03,060 their appearance and anything that you 1861 01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:06,239 want and if they were doing some sort of 1862 01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:09,570 a clandestine operation observing people 1863 01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:11,730 over time and studying them say it would 1864 01:25:14,710 --> 01:25:12,800 know things about 1865 01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:14,720 the environment what was there and would 1866 01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:16,610 be able to mimic all the things that you 1867 01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:20,210 see in these hauntings what about the 1868 01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,130 recurring events where you know every 1869 01:25:27,550 --> 01:25:25,040 Saturday night they see the spirit of 1870 01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:27,560 the resident of the house who appears or 1871 01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:29,330 maybe the grandfather comes back you're 1872 01:25:33,670 --> 01:25:31,310 saying that the UFO nuts will come back 1873 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:33,680 every Saturday like clockwork and 1874 01:25:37,570 --> 01:25:35,930 emulate this effect it may not be that 1875 01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,580 they need to be physically present it 1876 01:25:42,430 --> 01:25:39,440 could be some sort of automated 1877 01:25:45,250 --> 01:25:42,440 monitoring project that is just outside 1878 01:25:47,890 --> 01:25:45,260 of our ability to detect the way that we 1879 01:25:50,050 --> 01:25:47,900 take and put up shelters and watch 1880 01:25:51,970 --> 01:25:50,060 wildlife in some way shape or form 1881 01:25:54,190 --> 01:25:51,980 something along those lines but a 1882 01:25:56,050 --> 01:25:54,200 recording yeah it could be monitoring 1883 01:25:57,820 --> 01:25:56,060 recording an automated system whereby 1884 01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:57,830 they're they're tracking our movements 1885 01:26:02,500 --> 01:26:00,320 seeing studying our psychology seeing 1886 01:26:04,260 --> 01:26:02,510 how we react to these various things 1887 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:04,270 that they put up in front of this and 1888 01:26:09,190 --> 01:26:06,410 typically we respond with these 1889 01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:09,200 supernatural types of explanations and 1890 01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:10,880 jump to these conclusions that there's 1891 01:26:15,220 --> 01:26:13,370 some sort of related to some sort of 1892 01:26:17,050 --> 01:26:15,230 life after death and create all of this 1893 01:26:19,540 --> 01:26:17,060 mythos around it but we don't know that 1894 01:26:22,180 --> 01:26:19,550 we don't know what it is it makes more 1895 01:26:25,420 --> 01:26:22,190 sense to me that if there is technology 1896 01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:25,430 available to explain it then we should 1897 01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:27,410 be invoking that and really our own 1898 01:26:32,590 --> 01:26:31,040 technology now is approaching that level 1899 01:26:35,650 --> 01:26:32,600 where we're developing things that can 1900 01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:35,660 bend light and transmit voices into 1901 01:26:39,700 --> 01:26:38,000 people's heads all kinds of stuff all 1902 01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:39,710 this stuff can be explained merely with 1903 01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,450 our own technology so you can imagine 1904 01:26:45,940 --> 01:26:43,520 something you know a thousand years of 1905 01:26:47,500 --> 01:26:45,950 editors come in here cogs what's your 1906 01:26:50,980 --> 01:26:47,510 interpretation you live in a part of the 1907 01:26:56,260 --> 01:26:50,990 world where there are lots of hauntings 1908 01:26:58,360 --> 01:26:56,270 yes Northeast Scotland where I am well 1909 01:27:00,460 --> 01:26:58,370 it has the highest concentrations of 1910 01:27:04,030 --> 01:27:00,470 castles of anywhere in the world and 1911 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:04,040 many of them have got ghosts I must mr. 1912 01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:06,050 elf the only part of normal you know 1913 01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:08,210 experience I've ever had is literally 1914 01:27:15,490 --> 01:27:11,210 within 150 feet of my childhood home 1915 01:27:18,820 --> 01:27:15,500 myself and friend we were about 13 or so 1916 01:27:21,820 --> 01:27:18,830 we saw what we thought was an old woman 1917 01:27:23,470 --> 01:27:21,830 in a place in a little kind of Lane in a 1918 01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:23,480 place where she shouldn't have been at 1919 01:27:26,189 --> 01:27:24,400 that time and I 1920 01:27:29,490 --> 01:27:26,199 because we knew everyone you know around 1921 01:27:32,010 --> 01:27:29,500 in the area and we found we found her 1922 01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:32,020 her being there so strange that we 1923 01:27:37,770 --> 01:27:35,890 immediately made to go and lead her out 1924 01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:37,780 of where she was because we were 1925 01:27:43,649 --> 01:27:39,489 convinced she must have been lost and 1926 01:27:46,830 --> 01:27:43,659 she never left left our sight until we 1927 01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,840 surrounded this wall and this was a dead 1928 01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:48,880 end and she was gone and up until that 1929 01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:50,770 point we thought it was a real person 1930 01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:54,010 but two of us saw it and there was 1931 01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:55,810 nowhere for this person to go there was 1932 01:28:02,520 --> 01:27:58,480 no time or chance to escape or there's 1933 01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:02,530 no trapdoors ladders anything so it it 1934 01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:05,770 must have been that we both saw you know 1935 01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:08,710 a full-body apparition I don't have any 1936 01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:11,350 other experience outside of that and 1937 01:28:15,959 --> 01:28:13,449 going to where Randall was speaking 1938 01:28:19,770 --> 01:28:15,969 about but the UFO technology side of 1939 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:19,780 things I can go for that I'm not sure 1940 01:28:25,290 --> 01:28:22,810 how that would explain how people humans 1941 01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:25,300 have reported ghosts you know since time 1942 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:28,090 immemorial for that to be the case I 1943 01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:29,530 suppose we would have to be saying that 1944 01:28:34,890 --> 01:28:32,560 this technology was up and running all 1945 01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:34,900 the way through history I can't see any 1946 01:28:39,180 --> 01:28:36,730 purpose for that unless it was just to 1947 01:28:42,540 --> 01:28:39,190 play with us we could be the amusement 1948 01:28:45,540 --> 01:28:42,550 park Dean what's your take I'm a little 1949 01:28:50,130 --> 01:28:45,550 skeptical about ghosts but I had to say 1950 01:28:53,130 --> 01:28:50,140 I I have seen something back in the 70 1951 01:28:55,740 --> 01:28:53,140 is actually after I saw it my whole 1952 01:28:59,610 --> 01:28:55,750 family ended up seeing this individual 1953 01:29:03,180 --> 01:28:59,620 it appeared to be a young man and is 1954 01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:03,190 maybe 20s standing at the other end of 1955 01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:06,730 our basement looking straight at all of 1956 01:29:13,470 --> 01:29:09,600 us who had seen it at different times 1957 01:29:16,350 --> 01:29:13,480 it still raises the hair on the back of 1958 01:29:21,149 --> 01:29:16,360 my neck when I think back to looking at 1959 01:29:24,090 --> 01:29:21,159 this entity whatever it was it was one 1960 01:29:26,220 --> 01:29:24,100 of those deals when I looked up and went 1961 01:29:28,919 --> 01:29:26,230 to take a dump and got a good look at it 1962 01:29:32,220 --> 01:29:28,929 and kind of roll my eyes and looked 1963 01:29:34,379 --> 01:29:32,230 again and it's gone my whole family 1964 01:29:36,810 --> 01:29:34,389 ridiculed me for quite a while up to 1965 01:29:41,090 --> 01:29:36,820 that until they all in turn 1966 01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:41,100 had seen this at some point it this 1967 01:29:46,440 --> 01:29:44,050 sightings only lasted maybe a few months 1968 01:29:50,460 --> 01:29:46,450 and nobody has ever seen it again my 1969 01:29:54,150 --> 01:29:50,470 father still lives in the home he does 1970 01:29:57,870 --> 01:29:54,160 not see anything anymore I think in many 1971 01:30:01,110 --> 01:29:57,880 cases when people go looking for ghosts 1972 01:30:05,970 --> 01:30:01,120 they'll probably find one just because 1973 01:30:11,010 --> 01:30:05,980 they're looking for one and it may or 1974 01:30:14,580 --> 01:30:11,020 may not be an actual entity it could be 1975 01:30:16,890 --> 01:30:14,590 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--> 01:35:39,440 I think it's important to be really 2102 01:35:44,890 --> 01:35:42,590 skeptical about abductions not that it's 2103 01:35:48,189 --> 01:35:44,900 not important to be any less skeptical 2104 01:35:50,770 --> 01:35:48,199 about other things but what we're what 2105 01:35:52,990 --> 01:35:50,780 we're hearing from abductees is are 2106 01:35:55,870 --> 01:35:53,000 things that they're just not verifiable 2107 01:36:00,430 --> 01:35:55,880 in any way shape or form compared to the 2108 01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:00,440 UFO phenomenon itself the hard nuts and 2109 01:36:05,140 --> 01:36:02,719 bolts flying saucer type things that led 2110 01:36:07,420 --> 01:36:05,150 to the rise of the field of ufology in 2111 01:36:12,010 --> 01:36:07,430 the first place I'm not saying that it 2112 01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:12,020 doesn't happen but I just haven't seen 2113 01:36:19,450 --> 01:36:15,370 enough evidence to say that for sure 2114 01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:19,460 it's actually connected with the UFOs 2115 01:36:24,130 --> 01:36:21,290 that have been tracked on radar and so 2116 01:36:25,959 --> 01:36:24,140 on it's certainly part of the UFO field 2117 01:36:29,740 --> 01:36:25,969 it's part of the ecology studies in 2118 01:36:31,420 --> 01:36:29,750 general but that's just my take on it 2119 01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:31,430 something strange is going on to what 2120 01:36:36,130 --> 01:36:34,489 exactly it is it could be related to on 2121 01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:36,140 things and all of the rest of it but I 2122 01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:39,050 am not entirely sure what to make of 2123 01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:41,449 that Jeff what's your take on abductions 2124 01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:43,730 I have to kind of agree with Randall 2125 01:36:48,370 --> 01:36:46,130 about we have to be careful and 2126 01:36:49,950 --> 01:36:48,380 skeptical about the types of abduction 2127 01:36:53,370 --> 01:36:49,960 stories that we get 2128 01:36:55,740 --> 01:36:53,380 to me it's kind of how the story comes 2129 01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:55,750 from how the witness conveys a story if 2130 01:36:59,940 --> 01:36:57,760 the witness is claiming that you know 2131 01:37:03,060 --> 01:36:59,950 there they've been a lifelong abductee 2132 01:37:06,209 --> 01:37:03,070 contactee what have you then to me that 2133 01:37:07,890 --> 01:37:06,219 raises the skeptical level considerably 2134 01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:07,900 higher but when you're talking about 2135 01:37:12,420 --> 01:37:10,210 somebody like Travis Waltons incidence 2136 01:37:15,540 --> 01:37:12,430 where you know it was kind of a one-time 2137 01:37:17,220 --> 01:37:15,550 deal and Walton will even tell you that 2138 01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:17,230 he thinks that it was kind of a rescue 2139 01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:19,600 operation that he was taken aboard this 2140 01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:21,850 craft and what-have-you and nursed back 2141 01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:24,130 to health and then dropped off someplace 2142 01:37:29,670 --> 01:37:26,800 near his residence that to me holds a 2143 01:37:31,290 --> 01:37:29,680 lot more credibility that if we are 2144 01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:31,300 talking about in the UFO field 2145 01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:33,489 nuts-and-bolts craft and you know these 2146 01:37:39,390 --> 01:37:35,530 beings somehow would have been watching 2147 01:37:42,690 --> 01:37:39,400 us and came across Travis and caused 2148 01:37:44,610 --> 01:37:42,700 harm to him inadvertently and then took 2149 01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:44,620 him up and healed him back and then 2150 01:37:51,060 --> 01:37:48,610 dropped him back to earth that holds a 2151 01:37:54,540 --> 01:37:51,070 lot more credibility than I've been 2152 01:37:57,420 --> 01:37:54,550 chosen to communicate a message to all 2153 01:37:59,729 --> 01:37:57,430 of mankind and you know it's of peace 2154 01:38:02,220 --> 01:37:59,739 and love and tranquility and all this 2155 01:38:04,979 --> 01:38:02,230 other good stuff so I think that to me 2156 01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:04,989 the filters are set really high when it 2157 01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:07,090 comes to the abduction experience and 2158 01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:10,000 abduction phenomenon and I tend to be 2159 01:38:11,940 --> 01:38:11,440 extremely skeptical about the whole 2160 01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:11,950 thing 2161 01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:14,650 okay so we have the emissary who says 2162 01:38:18,030 --> 01:38:16,450 they talked to ET they have this 2163 01:38:21,660 --> 01:38:18,040 experience they have a message to 2164 01:38:24,180 --> 01:38:21,670 present not unlike religious revelations 2165 01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:24,190 going back through the centuries so if 2166 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:26,050 it's not ET causing it is it something 2167 01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:28,330 in their mind are they interacting with 2168 01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:31,330 some kind of outside power Jeff I remain 2169 01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:33,489 skeptical on that I think it's people 2170 01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:35,650 honestly truthfully just calling 2171 01:38:41,700 --> 01:38:38,050 attention to themselves they want to put 2172 01:38:45,180 --> 01:38:41,710 themselves in a place higher and in more 2173 01:38:47,670 --> 01:38:45,190 import than who perhaps they really are 2174 01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:47,680 you know why if you're being 2175 01:38:52,140 --> 01:38:49,930 communicated to from a higher power 2176 01:38:54,930 --> 01:38:52,150 higher entity for this all-important 2177 01:38:57,209 --> 01:38:54,940 message for mankind and humanity why 2178 01:39:01,110 --> 01:38:57,219 would they pick you know a lonely bored 2179 01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:01,120 housewife from Wisconsin in the suburbs 2180 01:39:06,110 --> 01:39:03,760 you notice how it always always it's a 2181 01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,120 suburban thing there's not very many 2182 01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:08,800 abduction reports that are credible I 2183 01:39:15,420 --> 01:39:11,610 think from urban areas most of these are 2184 01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:15,430 rural encounters and I think a majority 2185 01:39:20,940 --> 01:39:18,480 of them would be you know this is a joke 2186 01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:20,950 okay so you're saying that's because I 2187 01:39:25,140 --> 01:39:22,810 live in a fairly large city I will never 2188 01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:25,150 be abducted I feel better Dean what's 2189 01:39:36,380 --> 01:39:29,440 your take about abductions I don't know 2190 01:39:39,959 --> 01:39:36,390 I just don't I don't get it what yeah 2191 01:39:42,150 --> 01:39:39,969 it's exactly what Jeff said it's I think 2192 01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:42,160 it's bored housewives and types things 2193 01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:44,110 like that trying to just elevate their 2194 01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:46,960 own living standard or life's 2195 01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:49,290 experiences to something more than it is 2196 01:39:52,440 --> 01:39:51,520 so if you're a best-selling off you're 2197 01:39:54,540 --> 01:39:52,450 like Whitley Strieber 2198 01:39:57,959 --> 01:39:54,550 did you just make it all up to sell some 2199 01:40:01,890 --> 01:39:57,969 books I honestly don't know I'm 2200 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:01,900 open-minded to it though yes if we can 2201 01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:05,290 come up with some proof and so be it I 2202 01:40:09,900 --> 01:40:07,330 haven't seen anything real credible yet 2203 01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:09,910 well he does have he does have my first 2204 01:40:15,630 --> 01:40:12,850 UFO sighting that he's never 2205 01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:15,640 acknowledged although I did mention this 2206 01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:18,850 to him years ago I was with a group of 2207 01:40:24,930 --> 01:40:22,320 five other college students just 2208 01:40:26,729 --> 01:40:24,940 roughhousing at night on the playground 2209 01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:26,739 or the the football field rather at New 2210 01:40:31,740 --> 01:40:29,290 Paltz University and we had a multiple 2211 01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:31,750 object sighting on a weekend that he 2212 01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:34,810 claims in communion that that you know 2213 01:40:39,450 --> 01:40:37,090 he had quite an amazing experience 2214 01:40:41,370 --> 01:40:39,460 I think it was the the night that sounds 2215 01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:41,380 when wrapping around his house this 2216 01:40:47,340 --> 01:40:42,610 would have been the third Friday of 2217 01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:47,350 September 1970 see yeah I'd have to 2218 01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:49,210 check my own notes but in the late 70s 2219 01:40:56,990 --> 01:40:52,000 78 or 79 Coggs what's your take on 2220 01:41:00,450 --> 01:40:57,000 abductions well if he does exist and 2221 01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:00,460 he's visiting here I have no problem to 2222 01:41:05,850 --> 01:41:03,010 believe that some abductions may take 2223 01:41:09,090 --> 01:41:05,860 place but the sheer number supported by 2224 01:41:11,950 --> 01:41:09,100 a lot of American citizens are I just 2225 01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:11,960 find that just you know incredible notes 2226 01:41:17,850 --> 01:41:14,960 and also there's a there's this decide 2227 01:41:20,830 --> 01:41:17,860 of it from sleep paralysis I've 2228 01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:20,840 experienced sleep paralysis quite a few 2229 01:41:26,290 --> 01:41:23,600 times myself on one of these occasions I 2230 01:41:28,330 --> 01:41:26,300 could I could almost swear I was taken 2231 01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:28,340 to somewhere with a lot of other people 2232 01:41:32,620 --> 01:41:30,530 and out out of the corner of my eye I 2233 01:41:34,770 --> 01:41:32,630 was seeing some kind of beings now I 2234 01:41:38,230 --> 01:41:34,780 don't think for a minute I was abducted 2235 01:41:40,210 --> 01:41:38,240 but I can really see how someone could 2236 01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:40,220 be convinced that they had been because 2237 01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:42,530 when you have sleep paralysis and you 2238 01:41:46,180 --> 01:41:43,610 have these kind of out-of-body 2239 01:41:48,700 --> 01:41:46,190 experiences they're just as real as real 2240 01:41:50,470 --> 01:41:48,710 life at the time so whether it's in the 2241 01:41:53,170 --> 01:41:50,480 head so I think there may be a little 2242 01:41:55,290 --> 01:41:53,180 bit of it's it's in the head sleep 2243 01:41:57,970 --> 01:41:55,300 paralysis there could be a little bit of 2244 01:42:00,610 --> 01:41:57,980 you know people seeking attention and 2245 01:42:03,100 --> 01:42:00,620 but I think there could be a core number 2246 01:42:05,230 --> 01:42:03,110 of cases where you know if we were 2247 01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:05,240 visiting another planet we would 2248 01:42:09,550 --> 01:42:07,730 probably be abducting the locals there's 2249 01:42:11,500 --> 01:42:09,560 a good episode of Star Trek where 2250 01:42:13,180 --> 01:42:11,510 they're the next generation where 2251 01:42:15,250 --> 01:42:13,190 they're trying to remain hidden from a 2252 01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:15,260 culture they're studying and they're you 2253 01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:17,090 know they're behind sums of magic 2254 01:42:22,810 --> 01:42:19,850 screens of s4 type thing up now rock 2255 01:42:24,970 --> 01:42:22,820 formation and then their power fails and 2256 01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:24,980 then the locals see that they are there 2257 01:42:29,380 --> 01:42:27,110 and then they have to try and repair 2258 01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:29,390 this but we would do something like that 2259 01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:31,970 if we were visiting another planet so I 2260 01:42:36,610 --> 01:42:34,130 have no problem thinking that if it is 2261 01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:36,620 the case that there is et or some other 2262 01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:38,930 intelligent beings here that you know 2263 01:42:43,210 --> 01:42:41,570 they may do it on occasion but just not 2264 01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:43,220 not the numbers that were hearing 2265 01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:45,170 reported and it seems to it seems to be 2266 01:42:50,620 --> 01:42:48,370 this seems less of it being reported now 2267 01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:50,630 maybe someone else can correct me there 2268 01:42:55,810 --> 01:42:53,210 but this seems to be I think that it 2269 01:42:58,540 --> 01:42:55,820 reached a peak maybe in the 80s 90s 2270 01:43:01,000 --> 01:42:58,550 around the x-files time and now it's 2271 01:43:02,830 --> 01:43:01,010 dying life again yeah just add something 2272 01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:02,840 here quickly I mean I've interviewed 2273 01:43:09,970 --> 01:43:07,210 several thousand people concerning 2274 01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:09,980 hundreds and hundreds if not well over a 2275 01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:12,770 thousand events and you know over a 10 2276 01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:15,650 12 year period and I find it very 2277 01:43:20,350 --> 01:43:17,810 interesting I only had two claims of 2278 01:43:21,850 --> 01:43:20,360 abductions talking to all those hundreds 2279 01:43:24,700 --> 01:43:21,860 and hundreds of people over that you 2280 01:43:25,330 --> 01:43:24,710 know but over a decade so I find it 2281 01:43:28,150 --> 01:43:25,340 interesting 2282 01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:28,160 if abductions were taking place in an 2283 01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:30,170 area that has so many sightings you 2284 01:43:33,940 --> 01:43:31,250 would think that there would be more 2285 01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:33,950 reports there were a few visitation type 2286 01:43:42,490 --> 01:43:37,760 reports ce3 s that sort of thing but but 2287 01:43:45,850 --> 01:43:42,500 the the lack of reports and claims of 2288 01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:45,860 this type to me is very telling the 2289 01:43:50,590 --> 01:43:48,050 thing I worry about all this is the 2290 01:43:52,750 --> 01:43:50,600 researcher who specializes in abductions 2291 01:43:54,220 --> 01:43:52,760 and the abductions seem to take on the 2292 01:43:57,100 --> 01:43:54,230 character of what they're investigating 2293 01:44:00,340 --> 01:43:57,110 so they're looking for alien hybrids 2294 01:44:02,350 --> 01:44:00,350 they will get cases involving so-called 2295 01:44:04,630 --> 01:44:02,360 alien hybrids but when you're talking 2296 01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:04,640 about millions of people being abducted 2297 01:44:10,210 --> 01:44:07,280 I have problems with that 2298 01:44:12,580 --> 01:44:10,220 I think - I'd like to point out that 2299 01:44:14,410 --> 01:44:12,590 when Gordon said about was talking about 2300 01:44:15,910 --> 01:44:14,420 sleep paralysis and hypnagogic 2301 01:44:18,250 --> 01:44:15,920 hallucinations and things of this nature 2302 01:44:22,860 --> 01:44:18,260 we see this a lot and the ghost hunting 2303 01:44:25,630 --> 01:44:22,870 type of field - inevitably I've done a 2304 01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:25,640 lot of investigations where somebody 2305 01:44:28,750 --> 01:44:26,930 said you know I woke up in the middle of 2306 01:44:32,050 --> 01:44:28,760 night I saw the shadow hovering over me 2307 01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:32,060 and I started screaming and and anytime 2308 01:44:37,870 --> 01:44:35,810 I hear I woke up and I saw in my mind 2309 01:44:39,460 --> 01:44:37,880 that you know hits a red flag right 2310 01:44:41,410 --> 01:44:39,470 there I'm thinking about okay you were 2311 01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:41,420 probably in a dream state still and I 2312 01:44:45,610 --> 01:44:43,130 usually ask him well how did it end 2313 01:44:47,170 --> 01:44:45,620 where did the entity go you know did it 2314 01:44:49,210 --> 01:44:47,180 walk out of the room did it fade into 2315 01:44:50,530 --> 01:44:49,220 the wall and they said well you know I 2316 01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:50,540 don't know it just wasn't there anymore 2317 01:44:55,180 --> 01:44:53,840 and I'm usually attributing that to yeah 2318 01:44:56,500 --> 01:44:55,190 you know you woke up enough that your 2319 01:44:58,960 --> 01:44:56,510 brain started to take in your 2320 01:45:01,600 --> 01:44:58,970 environment and the dream state was gone 2321 01:45:03,870 --> 01:45:01,610 at that point in time but so I'm always 2322 01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:03,880 really leery about hearing about 2323 01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:05,810 abductions that happen in the middle of 2324 01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:07,250 the night and so on and so forth when 2325 01:45:10,900 --> 01:45:09,440 people were sleeping just like I am when 2326 01:45:13,630 --> 01:45:10,910 I hear those stories and ghost 2327 01:45:15,250 --> 01:45:13,640 encounters from people in the middle of 2328 01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:15,260 the night when they were sleeping we're 2329 01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:16,490 not in the middle of the night but we're 2330 01:45:20,860 --> 01:45:17,810 going to a break in a moment we have 2331 01:45:27,140 --> 01:45:20,870 Jeff and Randall Dean and dogs with gene 2332 01:45:34,410 --> 01:45:31,350 are you tired of searching for great 2333 01:45:39,570 --> 01:45:34,420 talk radio more important asserts real 2334 01:45:41,250 --> 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round of guests Jeff we have Randall 2390 01:48:14,010 --> 01:48:12,250 we have Dean we have dogs or Gordon 2391 01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:14,020 joining gene and Chris we're having a 2392 01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:16,239 lot of fun here and I thought we're 2393 01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:19,090 gonna do a twist here which is of course 2394 01:48:24,540 --> 01:48:22,770 that we've been asking you listeners to 2395 01:48:26,430 --> 01:48:24,550 comment on different issues in 2396 01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:26,440 paranormal research a little bit of 2397 01:48:30,540 --> 01:48:28,960 discussion of global warming but maybe 2398 01:48:32,610 --> 01:48:30,550 for the next second one or two you can 2399 01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:32,620 ask questions of Chris and me I didn't 2400 01:48:36,630 --> 01:48:34,690 prepare Chris for this by the way so 2401 01:48:38,939 --> 01:48:36,640 he's wondering what do I have in mind 2402 01:48:43,140 --> 01:48:38,949 but we'll do our best 2403 01:48:45,810 --> 01:48:43,150 let's open up the forum here Jeff got a 2404 01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:45,820 question for me Oh Chris Chris how's 2405 01:48:51,330 --> 01:48:47,050 your project going there in the valley 2406 01:48:55,169 --> 01:48:51,340 well it's you know gene is hopefully 2407 01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:55,179 gonna get the sov camera project feed up 2408 01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:58,000 online we've run into some bandwidth 2409 01:49:02,189 --> 01:49:00,159 issues we're probably going to have to 2410 01:49:05,430 --> 01:49:02,199 move our base station location because 2411 01:49:07,979 --> 01:49:05,440 we don't have the uplink bandwidth that 2412 01:49:10,530 --> 01:49:07,989 we need unfortunately the valley is 2413 01:49:14,130 --> 01:49:10,540 pretty lame when it comes to available 2414 01:49:16,020 --> 01:49:14,140 bandwidth this is changing but we're not 2415 01:49:17,610 --> 01:49:16,030 gonna be able to add any any additional 2416 01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:17,620 cameras until we can get some more 2417 01:49:23,250 --> 01:49:20,290 bandwidth we have just recently gotten 2418 01:49:25,500 --> 01:49:23,260 our third camera only one of them is up 2419 01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:25,510 right now we're working on getting our 2420 01:49:29,250 --> 01:49:27,010 sky cam which is going to be our 2421 01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:29,260 triggering camera which takes in the 2422 01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:31,449 entire you know bowl of the sky if you 2423 01:49:36,570 --> 01:49:33,489 will it's it's been going in fits and 2424 01:49:38,970 --> 01:49:36,580 starts we've got some grant proposals 2425 01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:38,980 that we've put out there we need money 2426 01:49:43,860 --> 01:49:41,770 and we need bandwidth and it's really 2427 01:49:45,870 --> 01:49:43,870 difficult to do something on less than a 2428 01:49:47,550 --> 01:49:45,880 shoestring because everybody is 2429 01:49:49,110 --> 01:49:47,560 volunteering their time and it's really 2430 01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:49,120 hard to dog people who aren't getting 2431 01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:53,199 paid so you know I think the vision is 2432 01:49:57,330 --> 01:49:55,360 sound we do have some gear 2433 01:49:58,800 --> 01:49:57,340 we're being handcuffed by bandwidth 2434 01:50:00,270 --> 01:49:58,810 right now but 2435 01:50:02,130 --> 01:50:00,280 we're looking forward to moving moving 2436 01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:02,140 ahead with the project and in fits and 2437 01:50:06,810 --> 01:50:04,480 starts but but it is it is still going 2438 01:50:09,480 --> 01:50:06,820 and ongoing wouldn't it be nice if we 2439 01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:09,490 had some rich person out there sent us a 2440 01:50:13,380 --> 01:50:11,170 couple of hundred thousand dollars or so 2441 01:50:15,300 --> 01:50:13,390 for you to put up those cameras and send 2442 01:50:16,140 --> 01:50:15,310 all the bandwidth you need boy that 2443 01:50:18,090 --> 01:50:16,150 would be sweet 2444 01:50:21,210 --> 01:50:18,100 well there you go Jeff another question 2445 01:50:22,980 --> 01:50:21,220 I was just gonna kind of a follow-up 2446 01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:22,990 question I guess on the valley is it is 2447 01:50:28,110 --> 01:50:24,970 it still super active do you still have 2448 01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:28,120 a high frequency of events it's not to 2449 01:50:34,230 --> 01:50:30,730 the levels that we saw from let's say 92 2450 01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:34,240 to 96 I mean I got as many as 17 calls 2451 01:50:40,290 --> 01:50:37,450 in one day at the height in the mid 90s 2452 01:50:42,630 --> 01:50:40,300 it has dropped off some but we do still 2453 01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:42,640 have that you know average of one or two 2454 01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:44,650 sightings a month we've been working on 2455 01:50:48,510 --> 01:50:46,960 a an interesting series of flying 2456 01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:48,520 humanoid reports that are coming from 2457 01:50:52,860 --> 01:50:50,800 the western side of the Centrepointe 2458 01:50:55,260 --> 01:50:52,870 part of the valley over in the Dell 2459 01:50:57,330 --> 01:50:55,270 knowit's South Fork area we still have 2460 01:50:58,350 --> 01:50:57,340 our orb sightings a lot of times they're 2461 01:51:00,660 --> 01:50:58,360 daylight silver 2462 01:51:02,970 --> 01:51:00,670 orbs we do have our amber light 2463 01:51:05,130 --> 01:51:02,980 sightings which are fairly common I 2464 01:51:07,530 --> 01:51:05,140 think a lot of these sightings are just 2465 01:51:09,330 --> 01:51:07,540 going just going downriver and people 2466 01:51:10,500 --> 01:51:09,340 aren't reporting them because quite 2467 01:51:12,420 --> 01:51:10,510 frankly it's part of their everyday 2468 01:51:13,980 --> 01:51:12,430 reality and it's not that big of a deal 2469 01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:13,990 I think for most people so they don't 2470 01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:17,170 make an effort to alert somebody we do 2471 01:51:22,260 --> 01:51:20,050 want we have a new radio show called the 2472 01:51:25,470 --> 01:51:22,270 Rio Grande Files that's being aired my 2473 01:51:27,930 --> 01:51:25,480 field investigator Thomas Pei has a show 2474 01:51:30,030 --> 01:51:27,940 this is a really good way for us to keep 2475 01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:30,040 the network of sky watchers in touch 2476 01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:30,810 with one another 2477 01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,130 obviously not living there I'm not able 2478 01:51:37,500 --> 01:51:35,440 to devote the kind of quality time to 2479 01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:37,510 ferret out and follow up on some of the 2480 01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:38,770 some of these reports 2481 01:51:44,850 --> 01:51:41,170 I think the activity is still there I 2482 01:51:47,370 --> 01:51:44,860 think it's higher than than normal for 2483 01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:47,380 most rural areas I think people are very 2484 01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:49,570 kind of complacent about it though I 2485 01:51:52,710 --> 01:51:51,250 don't think we're getting there you know 2486 01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:52,720 because we don't have a lot of news 2487 01:51:55,770 --> 01:51:54,490 coverage in the media is not touting 2488 01:51:59,160 --> 01:51:55,780 this stuff where we're keeping a real 2489 01:52:01,050 --> 01:51:59,170 low profile that that has a tendency to 2490 01:52:03,300 --> 01:52:01,060 dampen down people's enthusiasm to 2491 01:52:04,710 --> 01:52:03,310 report things that they see which is you 2492 01:52:08,990 --> 01:52:04,720 know it's it's a blessing in disguise 2493 01:52:10,700 --> 01:52:09,000 early dogs you have any questions yeah 2494 01:52:13,550 --> 01:52:10,710 questions of give them both the same 2495 01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:13,560 time just to add on to their will the 2496 01:52:18,440 --> 01:52:16,320 San Luis Valley camera project have a 2497 01:52:20,540 --> 01:52:18,450 night vision component and what does 2498 01:52:22,940 --> 01:52:20,550 Chris think about that and also to both 2499 01:52:25,930 --> 01:52:22,950 of you do you believe that the Norway 2500 01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:25,940 spiral was a failed Russian rocket test 2501 01:52:32,900 --> 01:52:29,610 hmm both good questions we do have a 2502 01:52:36,410 --> 01:52:32,910 supplemental part of our business plan 2503 01:52:38,900 --> 01:52:36,420 if you will our our equipment funding 2504 01:52:40,790 --> 01:52:38,910 needs there are some very good 2505 01:52:42,350 --> 01:52:40,800 forward-looking infrared cameras a 2506 01:52:44,270 --> 01:52:42,360 thousand millimeter one that's about 2507 01:52:45,740 --> 01:52:44,280 thirty five thousand dollars we do have 2508 01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:45,750 someone that's mentioned they'd love to 2509 01:52:49,580 --> 01:52:47,610 get at least one of those there of 2510 01:52:51,770 --> 01:52:49,590 course when the check clears the bank 2511 01:52:54,710 --> 01:52:51,780 and we get clearance to have this 2512 01:52:58,220 --> 01:52:54,720 particular piece of gear from I think 2513 01:53:02,300 --> 01:52:58,230 the government then I can maybe tout it 2514 01:53:04,490 --> 01:53:02,310 but we haven't figured into the initial 2515 01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:04,500 budget anything for nighttime we're 2516 01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:05,610 going to be sticking with straight 2517 01:53:10,910 --> 01:53:08,130 optics we feel our best scientific data 2518 01:53:12,590 --> 01:53:10,920 will be daylight sightings however with 2519 01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:12,600 a thousand millimeter lens you're able 2520 01:53:16,010 --> 01:53:14,250 to pick up the body heat of a person 2521 01:53:19,550 --> 01:53:16,020 from about eighteen to twenty miles away 2522 01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:19,560 so that would be the ideal the night 2523 01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:21,690 time stuff as I said again is is not 2524 01:53:26,090 --> 01:53:24,090 quite as important at this juncture 2525 01:53:28,820 --> 01:53:26,100 right now as the daytime stuff but but 2526 01:53:30,710 --> 01:53:28,830 we do have a whole you know part of our 2527 01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:30,720 business plan that does take the take 2528 01:53:34,940 --> 01:53:32,730 that into account Chris you want to give 2529 01:53:36,860 --> 01:53:34,950 you a reaction to the Norwegian spiral 2530 01:53:39,500 --> 01:53:36,870 this is from do you know no I'm really 2531 01:53:41,660 --> 01:53:39,510 not sure what to make of it I love the 2532 01:53:45,020 --> 01:53:41,670 coincidence of Barack Obama getting his 2533 01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:45,030 Nobel Peace Prize I think the day before 2534 01:53:49,820 --> 01:53:48,090 something or the that afternoon you know 2535 01:53:51,380 --> 01:53:49,830 I haven't really done the kind of 2536 01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:51,390 digging into that that maybe I would 2537 01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:54,210 have in years past I know a lot of 2538 01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:56,970 people did dig into it I have a hard 2539 01:54:01,580 --> 01:53:58,560 time believing that's something that 2540 01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:01,590 just visually looking at it it's it was 2541 01:54:07,940 --> 01:54:03,690 a pretty perfect spiral I mean there was 2542 01:54:10,700 --> 01:54:07,950 very very little variation it it looked 2543 01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:10,710 too too good to be something like an 2544 01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:13,650 errant rockets they or missile launch an 2545 01:54:18,410 --> 01:54:16,080 environment you know my estimation so 2546 01:54:21,410 --> 01:54:18,420 for example the Russians saying that was 2547 01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:21,420 a failed missile test you don't go for 2548 01:54:23,790 --> 01:54:22,000 that 2549 01:54:25,590 --> 01:54:23,800 I don't plus plus the the actual 2550 01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:25,600 trajectory of the missile test doesn't 2551 01:54:29,550 --> 01:54:27,370 match or conform to where the actual 2552 01:54:30,390 --> 01:54:29,560 event occurred based on the little that 2553 01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:30,400 I know about it 2554 01:54:35,610 --> 01:54:32,650 one of those mysteries chalk it up dean 2555 01:54:37,950 --> 01:54:35,620 questions yeah Chris I think we share an 2556 01:54:40,590 --> 01:54:37,960 interest in that how to place artifacts 2557 01:54:44,250 --> 01:54:40,600 what do you feel is one of the more 2558 01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:44,260 significant artifacts that seem to be 2559 01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:46,810 out of place well there's a bunch of 2560 01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:50,650 them man I think the the archaeological 2561 01:54:57,780 --> 01:54:55,410 finds of extremely large humanoid 2562 01:55:00,660 --> 01:54:57,790 possibly Caucasian giants in North 2563 01:55:02,490 --> 01:55:00,670 America many of which in the 19th 2564 01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:02,500 century featured double rows rows of 2565 01:55:09,420 --> 01:55:06,570 teeth I think that that races of giants 2566 01:55:12,210 --> 01:55:09,430 indication that we have had extremely 2567 01:55:14,430 --> 01:55:12,220 tall and and much larger humanoids on 2568 01:55:16,700 --> 01:55:14,440 the planet I think that this is the kind 2569 01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:16,710 of physical evidence that if it's 2570 01:55:22,860 --> 01:55:19,810 properly studied can show us a lot and 2571 01:55:25,530 --> 01:55:22,870 tell us a lot I mean obviously the spark 2572 01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:25,540 plug inside the geode III I mean there's 2573 01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:27,610 a bunch of them out there the figurine 2574 01:55:32,060 --> 01:55:29,770 they found you know at the bottom of a 2575 01:55:35,460 --> 01:55:32,070 test joint if I had a coal mine 2576 01:55:38,730 --> 01:55:35,470 perfectly carved figurine there's so 2577 01:55:41,220 --> 01:55:38,740 many I really wouldn't know you know a 2578 01:55:42,720 --> 01:55:41,230 dinosaur found in an alluvial plain it's 2579 01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:42,730 only it's less than a million years old 2580 01:55:48,510 --> 01:55:46,050 a perfect articulated dinosaur skeleton 2581 01:55:52,500 --> 01:55:48,520 there's so many and they're very 2582 01:55:54,660 --> 01:55:52,510 fascinating of course I do I do you know 2583 01:55:56,940 --> 01:55:54,670 in terms of the archaeological side of 2584 01:55:58,650 --> 01:55:56,950 this I do recommend Michael Cremo book 2585 01:56:00,420 --> 01:55:58,660 forbidden archeology there's there's 2586 01:56:03,930 --> 01:56:00,430 several good books on this subject and I 2587 01:56:07,050 --> 01:56:03,940 think it's a very overlooked subject in 2588 01:56:09,300 --> 01:56:07,060 in scientific inquiry and I think 2589 01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:09,310 science has very conveniently sort of 2590 01:56:15,630 --> 01:56:12,970 you know swept a lot of these very these 2591 01:56:18,690 --> 01:56:15,640 in parts under the rug I think in a 2592 01:56:23,730 --> 01:56:18,700 disingenuous sort of way Dean a second 2593 01:56:26,940 --> 01:56:23,740 question yeah my actually my true 2594 01:56:31,230 --> 01:56:26,950 passion is photography and a lot of it 2595 01:56:34,140 --> 01:56:31,240 is blues musicians and I'm active in 2596 01:56:36,450 --> 01:56:34,150 promoting a blues festival in the area 2597 01:56:38,250 --> 01:56:36,460 and I understand you Kris was a musician 2598 01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:38,260 at one time can you tell us more about 2599 01:56:42,510 --> 01:56:39,450 that 2600 01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:42,520 well I still am a musician I compose 2601 01:56:50,180 --> 01:56:46,330 soundtracks I do quite a bit of love 2602 01:56:54,780 --> 01:56:50,190 work in the video realm I have a whole 2603 01:56:58,320 --> 01:56:54,790 kind of library of material that I slap 2604 01:57:01,050 --> 01:56:58,330 on and off of projects I did play in a 2605 01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:01,060 rock and roll environment for many years 2606 01:57:06,900 --> 01:57:04,570 in fact I had a band laughing Buddha in 2607 01:57:10,170 --> 01:57:06,910 the rocky mountains that was was pretty 2608 01:57:12,210 --> 01:57:10,180 big deal we recorded an album and had a 2609 01:57:14,310 --> 01:57:12,220 pretty good sized following was getting 2610 01:57:17,220 --> 01:57:14,320 some regional airplay I've always been a 2611 01:57:20,370 --> 01:57:17,230 big fan of the blues I'm a kind of 2612 01:57:22,410 --> 01:57:20,380 amateur blues affection ATO and 2613 01:57:24,390 --> 01:57:22,420 historian we're getting to more of 2614 01:57:26,430 --> 01:57:24,400 Chris's musical pursuits 2615 01:57:28,530 --> 01:57:26,440 I have no musical pursuits to mention 2616 01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:28,540 except being a radio disc jockey many 2617 01:57:40,250 --> 01:57:30,850 many many years ago with gene and Chris 2618 01:57:46,350 --> 01:57:44,220 is there a secret UFO agenda to strange 2619 01:57:48,810 --> 01:57:46,360 creatures from the darkest corners of 2620 01:57:51,620 --> 01:57:48,820 the mind roam the earth is there 2621 01:57:55,230 --> 01:57:51,630 evidence remind control time travel or 2622 01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:55,240 devious government conspiracies find out 2623 01:57:59,550 --> 01:57:56,890 the inside scoop on the latest 2624 01:58:02,100 --> 01:57:59,560 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round table this is fun we're gonna do 2707 02:02:11,050 --> 02:02:08,100 it much more often because look at the 2708 02:02:14,630 --> 02:02:11,060 smart listeners we have Dean Jeff 2709 02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:14,640 Randall Gordon really amazing Chris you 2710 02:02:18,860 --> 02:02:16,770 were talking about your music yeah I've 2711 02:02:21,890 --> 02:02:18,870 always been a real fan of British blues 2712 02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:21,900 of course I was a real zap head in high 2713 02:02:26,930 --> 02:02:25,410 school a real Clapton fan I love the 2714 02:02:29,090 --> 02:02:26,940 Rolling Stones when they came out when I 2715 02:02:31,790 --> 02:02:29,100 was very little I was listening to Eric 2716 02:02:34,580 --> 02:02:31,800 Burdon and and you know some of the 2717 02:02:37,940 --> 02:02:34,590 early early British sort of revival 2718 02:02:40,070 --> 02:02:37,950 blues electric blues bands I just I've 2719 02:02:43,670 --> 02:02:40,080 written a number of blues songs one of 2720 02:02:46,220 --> 02:02:43,680 which got kind of a bit of notoriety in 2721 02:02:47,690 --> 02:02:46,230 the Rocky Mountain Club circuit I called 2722 02:02:50,510 --> 02:02:47,700 it the crawl and kingsnake and I'd crawl 2723 02:02:52,850 --> 02:02:50,520 around on the floor and bike girls on 2724 02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:52,860 the knees under the table that's Chris's 2725 02:02:56,720 --> 02:02:55,770 version of snakes on a plane yeah snakes 2726 02:02:58,490 --> 02:02:56,730 on the floor 2727 02:03:01,220 --> 02:02:58,500 it was my homage to Jim Morrison 2728 02:03:02,690 --> 02:03:01,230 basically it's kind of a that was ascend 2729 02:03:05,510 --> 02:03:02,700 up to 2730 02:03:07,580 --> 02:03:05,520 couple adores Tunes but I again I do I 2731 02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:07,590 love the Blues I think it's one of the 2732 02:03:12,230 --> 02:03:10,290 purest forms of Americana blues and jazz 2733 02:03:13,220 --> 02:03:12,240 I think you know throw a little country 2734 02:03:15,170 --> 02:03:13,230 in bluegrass in there in the a 2735 02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:15,180 rock-and-roll there you go 2736 02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:16,890 you're just a singer in a rock and roll 2737 02:03:23,180 --> 02:03:19,530 band Randle questions well this one's a 2738 02:03:24,710 --> 02:03:23,190 little on the fly here so both you and 2739 02:03:27,290 --> 02:03:24,720 Chris are advocates of something other 2740 02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:27,300 than the ETH and that's in contrast with 2741 02:03:31,310 --> 02:03:29,370 the prevailing view and what I'd like to 2742 02:03:33,260 --> 02:03:31,320 know is if you really think the 2743 02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:33,270 rationale in favor of something other 2744 02:03:38,570 --> 02:03:35,730 than the ETH is sufficient to displace 2745 02:03:41,480 --> 02:03:38,580 it or if you're just encouraging us to 2746 02:03:44,540 --> 02:03:41,490 look at other possibilities and to add 2747 02:03:46,370 --> 02:03:44,550 to that you to both have such an 2748 02:03:48,590 --> 02:03:46,380 impressive history in the field of 2749 02:03:50,660 --> 02:03:48,600 ufology and it's why I follow the para 2750 02:03:53,810 --> 02:03:50,670 cast it's just an amazing show with a 2751 02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:53,820 lineup that is a literal who's who of 2752 02:03:59,810 --> 02:03:56,010 everybody that's been anything in the 2753 02:04:01,700 --> 02:03:59,820 field and so where did the metamorphosis 2754 02:04:04,550 --> 02:04:01,710 take place is there a defining point 2755 02:04:06,170 --> 02:04:04,560 when you've switched from well these are 2756 02:04:08,330 --> 02:04:06,180 nuts-and-bolts craft that seem to be 2757 02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:08,340 coming here from another place in our 2758 02:04:14,270 --> 02:04:12,810 space-time - who knows what exactly you 2759 02:04:16,250 --> 02:04:14,280 know with me we've talked about this 2760 02:04:18,890 --> 02:04:16,260 with Alan Greenfield we had this 2761 02:04:21,890 --> 02:04:18,900 conversation in a hotel room in New York 2762 02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:21,900 City back in the 1960s we were just 2763 02:04:26,390 --> 02:04:23,370 talking about things we weren't 2764 02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:26,400 consuming any weird beverages we weren't 2765 02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:28,530 smoking any word substances or smoking 2766 02:04:32,510 --> 02:04:30,570 anything at all it was one of those 2767 02:04:35,210 --> 02:04:32,520 three o'clock in the morning kind of 2768 02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:35,220 things were you have an epiphany and you 2769 02:04:38,750 --> 02:04:36,810 start talking about it and I won't go 2770 02:04:41,630 --> 02:04:38,760 into detail now because this has been 2771 02:04:44,180 --> 02:04:41,640 presented in my editorials in our cast 2772 02:04:47,120 --> 02:04:44,190 newsletter in caveat emptor the magazine 2773 02:04:48,650 --> 02:04:47,130 I did in the 70s and 80s and also some 2774 02:04:51,260 --> 02:04:48,660 of the writings of Alan greenfield and 2775 02:04:53,330 --> 02:04:51,270 in his discussions on the show so it's a 2776 02:04:57,830 --> 02:04:53,340 matter of going through the evidence and 2777 02:05:00,590 --> 02:04:57,840 saying is it all or partly et or should 2778 02:05:03,380 --> 02:05:00,600 we look at other conclusions as to what 2779 02:05:07,220 --> 02:05:03,390 might be I think part of it is we do not 2780 02:05:09,500 --> 02:05:07,230 have the final proof of what UFOs are we 2781 02:05:11,870 --> 02:05:09,510 have the sightings we have things that 2782 02:05:14,090 --> 02:05:11,880 seem to be almost beyond the laws of 2783 02:05:14,899 --> 02:05:14,100 physics and the way they maneuver we 2784 02:05:17,570 --> 02:05:14,909 have 2785 02:05:19,340 --> 02:05:17,580 parent metallic aircraft but that 2786 02:05:22,100 --> 02:05:19,350 doesn't prove where they're from it's 2787 02:05:24,500 --> 02:05:22,110 not we can't explain it it has to be et 2788 02:05:26,919 --> 02:05:24,510 we have to continue to look into other 2789 02:05:29,649 --> 02:05:26,929 possibilities and in the end it may be 2790 02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:29,659 multiple possibilities Chris yeah 2791 02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:32,730 absolutely agree Jean my own personal 2792 02:05:37,970 --> 02:05:35,370 experiences I think probably had had the 2793 02:05:40,970 --> 02:05:37,980 most dramatic impact on my thinking when 2794 02:05:42,530 --> 02:05:40,980 I first began investigating sightings 2795 02:05:45,709 --> 02:05:42,540 that were occurring around my area in 2796 02:05:48,830 --> 02:05:45,719 southern Colorado in the early 90s I was 2797 02:05:50,570 --> 02:05:48,840 convinced like everybody like most 2798 02:05:52,459 --> 02:05:50,580 people I should say that these are you 2799 02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:52,469 know alien spacecraft these were ETS 2800 02:05:57,560 --> 02:05:55,290 coming down mutilating cattle freaking 2801 02:05:59,750 --> 02:05:57,570 out farmers and then I had the yellow 2802 02:06:02,830 --> 02:05:59,760 helicopter event and other events that 2803 02:06:05,510 --> 02:06:02,840 had a quality of synchronicity and a 2804 02:06:08,660 --> 02:06:05,520 quality of trigger ISM that just does 2805 02:06:11,090 --> 02:06:08,670 not conform to an ETH of a scenario I 2806 02:06:13,189 --> 02:06:11,100 mean it could I guess in in if you 2807 02:06:16,070 --> 02:06:13,199 really stretch the thing and become a 2808 02:06:18,979 --> 02:06:16,080 special destiny person which I refuse to 2809 02:06:20,479 --> 02:06:18,989 do but intensely personal events that 2810 02:06:22,669 --> 02:06:20,489 have occurred to me have shown me that 2811 02:06:26,479 --> 02:06:22,679 there are other possible explanations 2812 02:06:29,629 --> 02:06:26,489 and in as Jean ended his answer I think 2813 02:06:32,990 --> 02:06:29,639 it's a multiple scenario multiple agenda 2814 02:06:35,390 --> 02:06:33,000 of kaleidoscope of phenomenal events and 2815 02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:35,400 players I don't think one size fits all 2816 02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:38,730 I never factored out the ETH but I think 2817 02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:40,170 it's important that we exhaust all 2818 02:06:43,910 --> 02:06:42,480 closed system possibilities before we 2819 02:06:45,979 --> 02:06:43,920 jump off planet and the thing that 2820 02:06:48,919 --> 02:06:45,989 bothers me so much about the UFO field 2821 02:06:50,840 --> 02:06:48,929 and you guys can jump in and add your 2822 02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:50,850 own comments to it the thing that 2823 02:06:55,310 --> 02:06:53,250 bothers me is we've made so little 2824 02:06:57,610 --> 02:06:55,320 progress and more and more I look at 2825 02:07:00,890 --> 02:06:57,620 stuff that was written 40 50 years ago 2826 02:07:03,050 --> 02:07:00,900 from various UFO researchers of the time 2827 02:07:05,959 --> 02:07:03,060 and I say you know what where have we 2828 02:07:08,180 --> 02:07:05,969 gone why have we gone nowhere and is it 2829 02:07:11,840 --> 02:07:08,190 because we were just too inclined to 2830 02:07:14,060 --> 02:07:11,850 reach a single point of view and then 2831 02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:14,070 for the rest of our lives seek to prove 2832 02:07:18,500 --> 02:07:15,840 it but let's ask our guests what they 2833 02:07:20,990 --> 02:07:18,510 think about UFO origins so we'll turn 2834 02:07:24,439 --> 02:07:21,000 the tables back to you Jeff what do you 2835 02:07:26,209 --> 02:07:24,449 think about UFOs et or what I have to 2836 02:07:27,560 --> 02:07:26,219 agree with 2837 02:07:28,879 --> 02:07:27,570 you and Chris and a lot of the other 2838 02:07:30,350 --> 02:07:28,889 guests that I've heard on the pair cast 2839 02:07:34,549 --> 02:07:30,360 where they've said that it's probably a 2840 02:07:37,339 --> 02:07:34,559 conglomeration of sourcing if ETS are 2841 02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:37,349 coming from extraterrestrial origins if 2842 02:07:41,689 --> 02:07:39,570 they're if they're traveling you know 2843 02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:41,699 thousands millions of light-years to get 2844 02:07:45,080 --> 02:07:43,440 here then by definition they're going to 2845 02:07:48,770 --> 02:07:45,090 be time travelers they're going to be 2846 02:07:51,680 --> 02:07:48,780 possibly multi-dimensional travelers so 2847 02:07:54,319 --> 02:07:51,690 that would explain a little bit of this 2848 02:07:57,919 --> 02:07:54,329 odd type of phenomenon that we see when 2849 02:08:02,000 --> 02:07:57,929 UFOs are encountered it experienced but 2850 02:08:04,459 --> 02:08:02,010 I'm certainly open to as Chris calls of 2851 02:08:06,979 --> 02:08:04,469 a closed system sourcing that we're 2852 02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:06,989 seeing that that they are maybe a race 2853 02:08:12,830 --> 02:08:09,090 of beings that were here long before 2854 02:08:15,469 --> 02:08:12,840 humans or you know came here and then 2855 02:08:17,930 --> 02:08:15,479 made their home here long before we even 2856 02:08:21,680 --> 02:08:17,940 developed as a species so either way I 2857 02:08:24,290 --> 02:08:21,690 do like the ETH for its pop culture 2858 02:08:25,370 --> 02:08:24,300 perspective I get into that sometimes 2859 02:08:26,989 --> 02:08:25,380 but I understand that's just 2860 02:08:29,299 --> 02:08:26,999 entertainment and may not be what's 2861 02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:29,309 really going on okay we touched on 2862 02:08:34,969 --> 02:08:31,679 crypto terrestrials there for a bit cogs 2863 02:08:41,989 --> 02:08:34,979 what's your take I probably started out 2864 02:08:45,560 --> 02:08:41,999 as nuts in cth kind of guy probably more 2865 02:08:47,779 --> 02:08:45,570 over actually since the time that I've 2866 02:08:51,399 --> 02:08:47,789 been listening to the podcast I'm more 2867 02:08:53,839 --> 02:08:51,409 open to other possibilities and the 2868 02:08:55,700 --> 02:08:53,849 possibility that there might be several 2869 02:08:58,640 --> 02:08:55,710 you know concurrently running 2870 02:09:00,439 --> 02:08:58,650 explanations but I also keep thinking 2871 02:09:03,469 --> 02:09:00,449 that there might be you know one 2872 02:09:07,160 --> 02:09:03,479 overarching explanation for the whole 2873 02:09:09,859 --> 02:09:07,170 lot that we cannot we are like almost 2874 02:09:13,160 --> 02:09:09,869 physically or mentally incapable of 2875 02:09:16,450 --> 02:09:13,170 comprehending you know it could just be 2876 02:09:19,279 --> 02:09:16,460 something to too much outside of human 2877 02:09:21,770 --> 02:09:19,289 experience for us to even you know get a 2878 02:09:23,660 --> 02:09:21,780 grasp part but there does seem to be a 2879 02:09:26,450 --> 02:09:23,670 physical component you know you could 2880 02:09:29,390 --> 02:09:26,460 look at Stanton Freeman he will always 2881 02:09:33,109 --> 02:09:29,400 write lost the landing trace cases and 2882 02:09:35,689 --> 02:09:33,119 if you believe dr. Roger Leir will take 2883 02:09:37,640 --> 02:09:35,699 the the implants that he's removing 2884 02:09:38,300 --> 02:09:37,650 these kind of things that definitely 2885 02:09:40,070 --> 02:09:38,310 seems to be 2886 02:09:42,980 --> 02:09:40,080 physical component but there's also this 2887 02:09:46,550 --> 02:09:42,990 mystical side for instance is the the 2888 02:09:49,370 --> 02:09:46,560 sheer variety of things in in the sky 2889 02:09:51,640 --> 02:09:49,380 the types of crafts I I can't believe 2890 02:09:54,770 --> 02:09:51,650 the even you know of ten different races 2891 02:09:57,520 --> 02:09:54,780 visiting here could account for the the 2892 02:10:00,290 --> 02:09:57,530 variety of things in the sky and 2893 02:10:03,620 --> 02:10:00,300 experiences that are being related you 2894 02:10:05,060 --> 02:10:03,630 know maybe they have drugs a major space 2895 02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:05,070 shipbuilding industry like we have 2896 02:10:08,840 --> 02:10:06,570 multiple car brands 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--> 02:14:27,230 team.com or call 877 eight seven eight 2995 02:14:33,010 --> 02:14:30,949 four two zero three GCM team.com or call 2996 02:14:35,200 --> 02:14:33,020 eight seven seven eight seven eight four 2997 02:14:40,140 --> 02:14:35,210 two zero three lose weight and look 2998 02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:40,150 great with ASAP as slim as possible 2999 02:14:49,160 --> 02:14:47,010 [Music] 3000 02:14:51,150 --> 02:14:49,170 hi my name is Richard Dolan you're 3001 02:14:58,009 --> 02:14:51,160 listening to the para cast 3002 02:15:03,089 --> 02:15:00,419 with gene and Chris in the para cast 3003 02:15:06,810 --> 02:15:03,099 this is the listeners roundtable getting 3004 02:15:09,870 --> 02:15:06,820 opinions about the UFO mystery who have 3005 02:15:11,850 --> 02:15:09,880 we missed here we got Randall yeah I 3006 02:15:13,739 --> 02:15:11,860 started off with that but I think what 3007 02:15:16,379 --> 02:15:13,749 we're getting into now is sort of a 3008 02:15:18,509 --> 02:15:16,389 semantics problem here when we're 3009 02:15:19,949 --> 02:15:18,519 talking about UFOs we're not talking 3010 02:15:23,009 --> 02:15:19,959 about some vague light off in the 3011 02:15:25,589 --> 02:15:23,019 distance we're going back to the dawn of 3012 02:15:27,120 --> 02:15:25,599 the modern era where engineers and 3013 02:15:28,889 --> 02:15:27,130 scientists at the air technical 3014 02:15:30,870 --> 02:15:28,899 intelligence Center we're talking about 3015 02:15:32,719 --> 02:15:30,880 reports from pilots that were chasing 3016 02:15:36,389 --> 02:15:32,729 metallic objects we're talking about 3017 02:15:38,549 --> 02:15:36,399 statements made by the USAF that were of 3018 02:15:41,399 --> 02:15:38,559 objects of unknown origin that we 3019 02:15:43,169 --> 02:15:41,409 retract on radar so what I see 3020 02:15:45,600 --> 02:15:43,179 increasingly happening is that we're 3021 02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:45,610 getting these sort of fuzzy related 3022 02:15:50,549 --> 02:15:48,729 events that aren't really central to the 3023 02:15:52,949 --> 02:15:50,559 topic of ufology they're more of a 3024 02:15:56,189 --> 02:15:52,959 fringe topic but they're being kind of 3025 02:15:59,250 --> 02:15:56,199 shoved in there and saying well okay 3026 02:16:02,669 --> 02:15:59,260 the ETH doesn't solve all of those 3027 02:16:04,919 --> 02:16:02,679 mysteries and it doesn't but at the same 3028 02:16:07,259 --> 02:16:04,929 time we're saying well the ETS doesn't 3029 02:16:09,149 --> 02:16:07,269 solve a lot of paranormal mysteries and 3030 02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:09,159 that I could go for but when we're 3031 02:16:14,100 --> 02:16:12,010 dealing with UFOs we're not dealing with 3032 02:16:16,229 --> 02:16:14,110 all of these other things like I think 3033 02:16:17,699 --> 02:16:16,239 I've mentioned before we're not dealing 3034 02:16:19,679 --> 02:16:17,709 with yellow helicopters yellow 3035 02:16:23,069 --> 02:16:19,689 helicopters are yellow helicopters 3036 02:16:25,350 --> 02:16:23,079 they're not UFOs all right but once you 3037 02:16:28,229 --> 02:16:25,360 determine that a craft Randall is 3038 02:16:30,389 --> 02:16:28,239 unknown that's where you go it doesn't 3039 02:16:32,580 --> 02:16:30,399 tell you where it's from and even if 3040 02:16:34,530 --> 02:16:32,590 it's a singular phenomenon separate from 3041 02:16:36,110 --> 02:16:34,540 the ghosts and all the other stuff it 3042 02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:36,120 doesn't tell you where it's from does it 3043 02:16:41,639 --> 02:16:39,130 well I think it's safe to say that when 3044 02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:41,649 there's no man-made or natural phenomena 3045 02:16:44,700 --> 02:16:43,210 that we can explain with our modern 3046 02:16:46,919 --> 02:16:44,710 technology that it's safe to say that 3047 02:16:49,709 --> 02:16:46,929 it's lower that we know uh we you need 3048 02:16:52,049 --> 02:16:49,719 the caveat there that you know Richard 3049 02:16:53,820 --> 02:16:52,059 Dolan Joe Farrell there's been a number 3050 02:16:55,740 --> 02:16:53,830 of very very good researchers that have 3051 02:16:57,330 --> 02:16:55,750 come up with a pretty interesting body 3052 02:16:59,429 --> 02:16:57,340 of evidence that suggests that we have 3053 02:17:03,030 --> 02:16:59,439 had exotic technology and technological 3054 02:17:07,830 --> 02:17:03,040 capabilities since it possibly even the 3055 02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:07,840 30s so there is a another potential 3056 02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:09,010 explanation that we really haven't 3057 02:17:11,549 --> 02:17:10,210 touched on and that is 3058 02:17:14,810 --> 02:17:11,559 it could actually be terrestrial 3059 02:17:17,219 --> 02:17:14,820 technology masquerading as something ETH 3060 02:17:19,230 --> 02:17:17,229 not a chance when you look at the 3061 02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:19,240 ultra-high performance things that we've 3062 02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:21,610 seen out there it is just not sufficient 3063 02:17:26,070 --> 02:17:24,250 evidence to prop up that hypothesis at 3064 02:17:28,589 --> 02:17:26,080 all certainly not with the thing that I 3065 02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:28,599 saw or a number of other people we're 3066 02:17:31,530 --> 02:17:30,250 not talking about a few people we're 3067 02:17:34,169 --> 02:17:31,540 talking about a lot of people we're 3068 02:17:35,879 --> 02:17:34,179 talking about giant mother ships right 3069 02:17:37,320 --> 02:17:35,889 but random will have to segment 3070 02:17:39,120 --> 02:17:37,330 somewhere to break in I get your point 3071 02:17:42,620 --> 02:17:39,130 that there have been a lot of compelling 3072 02:17:44,879 --> 02:17:42,630 cases showing metallic aircraft 3073 02:17:47,669 --> 02:17:44,889 intelligently controlled doing all sorts 3074 02:17:49,290 --> 02:17:47,679 of things we are not doubting any of 3075 02:17:50,640 --> 02:17:49,300 that because that's a core of the UFO 3076 02:17:52,950 --> 02:17:50,650 mystery they leave trace evidence 3077 02:17:54,780 --> 02:17:52,960 they're being photographed everything 3078 02:17:56,700 --> 02:17:54,790 like that Randall it does not however 3079 02:17:58,110 --> 02:17:56,710 prove where they're from and only proves 3080 02:18:00,440 --> 02:17:58,120 that they exist and they're real 3081 02:18:02,160 --> 02:18:00,450 it proves that they're alien to our 3082 02:18:04,500 --> 02:18:02,170 civilization now that doesn't 3083 02:18:06,390 --> 02:18:04,510 necessarily mean that they're from 3084 02:18:09,060 --> 02:18:06,400 another planet but they're definitely 3085 02:18:10,680 --> 02:18:09,070 alien in origin to us we don't know 3086 02:18:11,009 --> 02:18:10,690 where they come from we don't know what 3087 02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:11,019 they are 3088 02:18:16,650 --> 02:18:15,010 that makes it alien to us okay us does 3089 02:18:19,890 --> 02:18:16,660 not presume an origin we'll go for that 3090 02:18:23,330 --> 02:18:19,900 Dean what do you think I believe it's 3091 02:18:29,570 --> 02:18:23,340 probably beyond our grasp of 3092 02:18:34,250 --> 02:18:29,580 understanding it's they could just be 3093 02:18:38,600 --> 02:18:34,260 materializing from another dimension I 3094 02:18:40,440 --> 02:18:38,610 think if they were traveling here from 3095 02:18:43,020 --> 02:18:40,450 another planet 3096 02:18:45,900 --> 02:18:43,030 close by we would be tracking them a 3097 02:18:48,509 --> 02:18:45,910 little easily and be easier to track 3098 02:18:50,850 --> 02:18:48,519 them here and follow their progress 3099 02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:50,860 through space on our way here just like 3100 02:18:55,919 --> 02:18:53,290 we're tracking the asteroids and things 3101 02:18:57,240 --> 02:18:55,929 of that nature well then of course even 3102 02:18:58,530 --> 02:18:57,250 if they're tracking them they wouldn't 3103 02:19:00,930 --> 02:18:58,540 tell us unless of course you have 3104 02:19:04,740 --> 02:19:00,940 amateur astronomers who might well 3105 02:19:07,700 --> 02:19:04,750 that's yeah agree and there are a lot of 3106 02:19:10,169 --> 02:19:07,710 amateur astronomers who have 3107 02:19:13,320 --> 02:19:10,179 capabilities of a certain amount of 3108 02:19:16,110 --> 02:19:13,330 tracking I think some of the photographs 3109 02:19:19,350 --> 02:19:16,120 of these objects near the Sun are really 3110 02:19:21,600 --> 02:19:19,360 intriguing I don't know if anybody else 3111 02:19:23,490 --> 02:19:21,610 has been following those types of 3112 02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:23,500 observations 3113 02:19:29,080 --> 02:19:27,170 yeah I have yeah I have to do yeah I 3114 02:19:31,500 --> 02:19:29,090 mean I think it's I think again getting 3115 02:19:34,780 --> 02:19:31,510 back to genes point it seems to be 3116 02:19:37,150 --> 02:19:34,790 multiple players going on here I always 3117 02:19:39,580 --> 02:19:37,160 love the the explanation Terence Mckenna 3118 02:19:41,830 --> 02:19:39,590 used to give when asked about the origin 3119 02:19:44,530 --> 02:19:41,840 of UFOs and the whole idea of 3120 02:19:46,180 --> 02:19:44,540 extraterrestrials and he you know was it 3121 02:19:48,970 --> 02:19:46,190 struck me his answer he said well 3122 02:19:50,620 --> 02:19:48,980 perhaps what you know I think someone 3123 02:19:53,370 --> 02:19:50,630 already echoed this earlier but perhaps 3124 02:19:56,380 --> 02:19:53,380 whatever it is is so incredible and so 3125 02:19:59,170 --> 02:19:56,390 amazing and so beyond our capability to 3126 02:20:01,990 --> 02:19:59,180 understand that it's masquerading as ET 3127 02:20:05,591 --> 02:20:02,000 just so that we can give it some sort of 3128 02:20:08,410 --> 02:20:05,601 context well we tend to hear that that 3129 02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:08,420 sort of reasoning used a lot by 3130 02:20:13,180 --> 02:20:10,730 religious people to explain why we can't 3131 02:20:15,460 --> 02:20:13,190 understand God I think human beings are 3132 02:20:18,790 --> 02:20:15,470 pretty smart and that if we use logic 3133 02:20:20,920 --> 02:20:18,800 and intelligence and reason we can 3134 02:20:23,350 --> 02:20:20,930 examine these cases and we can look and 3135 02:20:25,420 --> 02:20:23,360 go ok let's look at the basic 3136 02:20:27,790 --> 02:20:25,430 fundamentals here how are you going to 3137 02:20:29,170 --> 02:20:27,800 construct one of these giant crafts here 3138 02:20:32,200 --> 02:20:29,180 on earth without anybody knowing about 3139 02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:32,210 it it's just not reasonable to propose 3140 02:20:40,841 --> 02:20:37,130 that that's being done ok the Phoenix 3141 02:20:42,520 --> 02:20:40,851 lights object I don't think was ours and 3142 02:20:45,210 --> 02:20:42,530 if it was ours it may have been ours 3143 02:20:47,410 --> 02:20:45,220 from the future coming back or something 3144 02:20:49,091 --> 02:20:47,420 unfortunately I was inside watching a 3145 02:20:51,870 --> 02:20:49,101 basketball game were right over the 3146 02:20:53,980 --> 02:20:51,880 motel I was staying at and I missed it I 3147 02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:53,990 didn't see the Phoenix lights either I 3148 02:20:59,020 --> 02:20:56,000 was busy writing a technology book about 3149 02:21:02,830 --> 02:20:59,030 Max or something or other I read it in 3150 02:21:05,140 --> 02:21:02,840 the newspaper the next day oh well where 3151 02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:05,150 can you go with that I mean you throw 3152 02:21:08,650 --> 02:21:07,130 another set of questions out there for 3153 02:21:11,530 --> 02:21:08,660 our guests we have about a segment and a 3154 02:21:14,500 --> 02:21:11,540 half left I'm gonna ask you something to 3155 02:21:17,530 --> 02:21:14,510 really commit here Dean you're on the 3156 02:21:20,200 --> 02:21:17,540 table here what do you think was first 3157 02:21:20,920 --> 02:21:20,210 of the worst episode the power cast you 3158 02:21:22,450 --> 02:21:20,930 ever heard 3159 02:21:24,370 --> 02:21:22,460 there could be last week you never know 3160 02:21:31,600 --> 02:21:24,380 and what do you think the best one was 3161 02:21:36,820 --> 02:21:34,780 that's a tough one there's been some 3162 02:21:41,591 --> 02:21:36,830 good ones too 3163 02:21:48,730 --> 02:21:41,601 I think I think the very last one with 3164 02:21:58,211 --> 02:21:48,740 Werner was probably the worst the best 3165 02:22:01,150 --> 02:21:58,221 boy I enjoy so many of them my eye I 3166 02:22:05,171 --> 02:22:01,160 enjoy all of them so I really couldn't 3167 02:22:09,900 --> 02:22:05,181 pinpoint the best one I did I did enjoy 3168 02:22:15,490 --> 02:22:14,410 but I like them all thank you for 3169 02:22:18,671 --> 02:22:15,500 listening and thank you for 3170 02:22:21,280 --> 02:22:18,681 participating in our forms cogs what is 3171 02:22:41,890 --> 02:22:21,290 your favorite para cast episode what do 3172 02:22:43,870 --> 02:22:41,900 you think was the worst one because he 3173 02:22:46,270 --> 02:22:43,880 just had this you know encyclopedia 3174 02:22:46,690 --> 02:22:46,280 college and he had been there and done 3175 02:22:48,730 --> 02:22:46,700 that 3176 02:22:51,390 --> 02:22:48,740 a bit like yourself with a lot of the 3177 02:22:55,270 --> 02:22:51,400 characters and ufology which is my main 3178 02:22:57,881 --> 02:22:55,280 interest and I I don't know about a 3179 02:23:00,131 --> 02:22:57,891 werster but one of the funniest of you 3180 02:23:03,430 --> 02:23:00,141 know kind of disasters was the Arden 3181 02:23:05,470 --> 02:23:03,440 Kaplan show because that guy was just I 3182 02:23:10,060 --> 02:23:05,480 know I remember Chris I could not stop 3183 02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:10,070 laughing during that and listening to it 3184 02:23:22,780 --> 02:23:17,690 it was great in a really bad way yeah 3185 02:23:23,950 --> 02:23:22,790 Joshua Shapiro was up there too and of 3186 02:23:26,410 --> 02:23:23,960 course we have to think of the guests 3187 02:23:27,910 --> 02:23:26,420 who are not coming on the power cast and 3188 02:23:30,461 --> 02:23:27,920 we think we can get some really 3189 02:23:32,620 --> 02:23:30,471 fascinating episodes with them Chris is 3190 02:23:34,980 --> 02:23:32,630 a big thread going on now in the power 3191 02:23:36,490 --> 02:23:34,990 cast forums where they're talking about 3192 02:23:42,160 --> 02:23:36,500 Whitley Strieber 3193 02:23:44,180 --> 02:23:42,170 can attest seems to forget previous 3194 02:23:47,631 --> 02:23:44,190 encounters with he and 3195 02:23:50,421 --> 02:23:47,641 for example when I was publishing caveat 3196 02:23:53,270 --> 02:23:50,431 emptor in the late 80s and early 90s of 3197 02:23:56,751 --> 02:23:53,280 final issues we exchanged ads with the 3198 02:23:58,761 --> 02:23:56,761 communion foundation and streebek but 3199 02:24:00,411 --> 02:23:58,771 Whitley didn't recognize that didn't 3200 02:24:03,341 --> 02:24:00,421 remember that he had met me at a couple 3201 02:24:05,541 --> 02:24:03,351 of events in New York didn't even 3202 02:24:08,211 --> 02:24:05,551 remember a couple of times he agreed to 3203 02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:08,221 come on the show he seemed to forget or 3204 02:24:10,071 --> 02:24:09,690 maybe he had second thoughts you never 3205 02:24:13,400 --> 02:24:10,081 know 3206 02:24:14,841 --> 02:24:13,410 we have other reactions to our best and 3207 02:24:17,060 --> 02:24:14,851 worst episodes coming up on our 3208 02:24:19,850 --> 02:24:17,070 listeners roundtable with Jean and Kris 3209 02:24:25,490 --> 02:24:19,860 you're in the para cast 3210 02:24:31,051 --> 02:24:28,830 [Music] 3211 02:24:34,450 --> 02:24:31,061 America's number one source for 3212 02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:34,460 independent authoring for over a decade 3213 02:24:41,950 --> 02:24:39,530 we are the gcn radio network if you want 3214 02:24:44,920 --> 02:24:41,960 to get your website online and you need 3215 02:24:46,810 --> 02:24:44,930 reliable service first-class service at 3216 02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:46,820 the lowest possible price there's only 3217 02:24:51,280 --> 02:24:48,800 one place to go well 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information and 3327 02:28:52,840 --> 02:28:50,720 you are listening to the podcast with 3328 02:28:56,200 --> 02:28:52,850 Jeanne and Chris on the para cast we're 3329 02:28:58,750 --> 02:28:56,210 talking to four of our active listeners 3330 02:29:04,120 --> 02:28:58,760 and participants in our forums Jeff 3331 02:29:07,210 --> 02:29:04,130 Randall Dean and gags Jeff the best and 3332 02:29:08,800 --> 02:29:07,220 worst episodes I have to say that 3333 02:29:11,860 --> 02:29:08,810 probably the worst one was last week's 3334 02:29:14,710 --> 02:29:11,870 with Verna Bach only because of recent 3335 02:29:16,450 --> 02:29:14,720 memory I'm sure there were others but 3336 02:29:19,300 --> 02:29:16,460 that was like I said I've only listened 3337 02:29:20,260 --> 02:29:19,310 to about half of it and I'm not sure I'm 3338 02:29:22,809 --> 02:29:20,270 gonna be able to get through the other 3339 02:29:24,790 --> 02:29:22,819 half but I'll try I'll try one of the 3340 02:29:28,630 --> 02:29:24,800 best I think was the Steven Bassett 3341 02:29:30,700 --> 02:29:28,640 episode where he just went off and and 3342 02:29:32,320 --> 02:29:30,710 did the whole principal thing where you 3343 02:29:34,179 --> 02:29:32,330 mess with the bull you're gonna get the 3344 02:29:41,800 --> 02:29:34,189 horns pal I mean that was one of the 3345 02:29:45,519 --> 02:29:41,810 best makes me laugh just cuz he got so 3346 02:29:48,519 --> 02:29:45,529 upset but he deserved to be put in this 3347 02:29:51,280 --> 02:29:48,529 place I think a little bit so I think 3348 02:29:54,250 --> 02:29:51,290 Randall what's your take it's really 3349 02:29:56,830 --> 02:29:54,260 hard to pick out specific shows but in 3350 02:29:58,540 --> 02:29:56,840 general you know I like Stan Freedman 3351 02:30:00,429 --> 02:29:58,550 because I really like a good rant and 3352 02:30:02,290 --> 02:30:00,439 and he's always got such a good ranches 3353 02:30:05,110 --> 02:30:02,300 I think Freedman because he's got his 3354 02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:05,120 stick down pat and I really love a good 3355 02:30:10,689 --> 02:30:07,850 rant we can't forget Brad stager I love 3356 02:30:11,979 --> 02:30:10,699 Brad stager stuff in his books his the 3357 02:30:13,689 --> 02:30:11,989 way he talks he's such a great 3358 02:30:15,849 --> 02:30:13,699 storyteller 3359 02:30:16,599 --> 02:30:15,859 I really like the episode with Alexander 3360 02:30:19,059 --> 02:30:16,609 and Freedman 3361 02:30:21,969 --> 02:30:19,069 but but some of my really favorite stuff 3362 02:30:24,490 --> 02:30:21,979 is when you and Chris talk shop I just 3363 02:30:28,179 --> 02:30:24,500 love that stuff because you reminisce 3364 02:30:30,130 --> 02:30:28,189 about being in all the places I wish I 3365 02:30:32,280 --> 02:30:30,140 could have been when I imagine being 3366 02:30:34,630 --> 02:30:32,290 part of the ethology scene down there 3367 02:30:35,769 --> 02:30:34,640 and the worst well I think they're the 3368 02:30:38,200 --> 02:30:35,779 ones with some of these technical 3369 02:30:40,900 --> 02:30:38,210 problems like static and you can't hear 3370 02:30:44,800 --> 02:30:40,910 the person's voice or their USB cable 3371 02:30:47,410 --> 02:30:44,810 comes unplug stuff like that but other 3372 02:30:49,330 --> 02:30:47,420 than that I really enjoyed them all yeah 3373 02:30:51,370 --> 02:30:49,340 one of the things here is so difficult 3374 02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:51,380 with a show like this is we're talking 3375 02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:53,850 to guests around the world 3376 02:30:57,380 --> 02:30:56,010 we have to depend on the quality of 3377 02:30:59,330 --> 02:30:57,390 their connection it's not always very 3378 02:31:01,280 --> 02:30:59,340 good and even then you know there's only 3379 02:31:04,520 --> 02:31:01,290 so much you can do in post-production to 3380 02:31:05,900 --> 02:31:04,530 clean up the audio and I fried I know 3381 02:31:08,990 --> 02:31:05,910 there was one episode we have this 3382 02:31:11,450 --> 02:31:09,000 Australian UFO researcher the connection 3383 02:31:13,880 --> 02:31:11,460 was really bad and I've spent a lot of 3384 02:31:15,620 --> 02:31:13,890 time trying to clean it up and I am 3385 02:31:18,380 --> 02:31:15,630 amazed that people were able to even 3386 02:31:20,030 --> 02:31:18,390 understand this guy yeah that was a bill 3387 02:31:21,710 --> 02:31:20,040 chakra one I think that's right I'd like 3388 02:31:23,870 --> 02:31:21,720 to get him back on only if we get a 3389 02:31:25,400 --> 02:31:23,880 connection that we can understand good 3390 02:31:28,520 --> 02:31:25,410 researchers some of my favorites have 3391 02:31:32,360 --> 02:31:28,530 been Stan Gordon some of his stuff his 3392 02:31:35,540 --> 02:31:32,370 work the jock fillet appearance I will 3393 02:31:37,520 --> 02:31:35,550 always hold fondly in memory there's 3394 02:31:40,120 --> 02:31:37,530 been quite a few some of the older shows 3395 02:31:43,190 --> 02:31:40,130 there's there was the Bill Nell episode 3396 02:31:48,740 --> 02:31:43,200 will go down I think is one of the best 3397 02:31:50,750 --> 02:31:48,750 of ever episodes it's been a real 3398 02:31:53,660 --> 02:31:50,760 pleasure doing the show and also forum 3399 02:31:57,470 --> 02:31:53,670 dr. Peric ascom you guys have really 3400 02:32:00,350 --> 02:31:57,480 brought a level of sophistication and 3401 02:32:02,150 --> 02:32:00,360 and really insightful thinking I learned 3402 02:32:04,340 --> 02:32:02,160 so much from you guys and the other 3403 02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:04,350 posters on the forums and and you really 3404 02:32:09,410 --> 02:32:05,850 hold my feet to the fire when you think 3405 02:32:12,080 --> 02:32:09,420 it's appropriate and and I should be be 3406 02:32:15,230 --> 02:32:12,090 held accountable for some of my my 3407 02:32:17,090 --> 02:32:15,240 offhand comments at times and we really 3408 02:32:19,880 --> 02:32:17,100 do appreciate you guys we want to do 3409 02:32:22,460 --> 02:32:19,890 this more often I think this is a way to 3410 02:32:25,160 --> 02:32:22,470 get some you know interactivity going on 3411 02:32:28,520 --> 02:32:25,170 we're also planning on on doing some 3412 02:32:31,190 --> 02:32:28,530 shows where we have actual Colin you 3413 02:32:32,870 --> 02:32:31,200 know potential during the actual taping 3414 02:32:35,330 --> 02:32:32,880 so that we could go to take and field 3415 02:32:37,310 --> 02:32:35,340 some phone calls so this is kind of 3416 02:32:39,770 --> 02:32:37,320 opening it up a bit we really appreciate 3417 02:32:40,940 --> 02:32:39,780 you guys coming on the show well thanks 3418 02:32:43,220 --> 02:32:40,950 a lot we really appreciate being 3419 02:32:44,840 --> 02:32:43,230 appreciate being here I'm sure and we 3420 02:32:46,700 --> 02:32:44,850 hope you don't end up like the people 3421 02:32:48,860 --> 02:32:46,710 who participate in our 2009 episode 3422 02:32:51,970 --> 02:32:48,870 where within months after they 3423 02:32:55,310 --> 02:32:51,980 participated their foreign participation 3424 02:32:57,440 --> 02:32:55,320 kind of ended it's not for that I think 3425 02:32:59,570 --> 02:32:57,450 with forums and anything you do want to 3426 02:33:01,970 --> 02:32:59,580 volunteer basis now you're busy with 3427 02:33:05,030 --> 02:33:01,980 real life and you're doing this at your 3428 02:33:07,820 --> 02:33:05,040 leisure or are you doing it as Lance 3429 02:33:10,429 --> 02:33:07,830 Moody is Lance Moody is a video editor 3430 02:33:12,440 --> 02:33:10,439 and he's involved in rendering his video 3431 02:33:14,389 --> 02:33:12,450 production is so what can I do I own 3432 02:33:16,849 --> 02:33:14,399 though I'll hang out at the para cast 3433 02:33:19,130 --> 02:33:16,859 forums yeah let me go dog Chris at the 3434 02:33:22,520 --> 02:33:19,140 bone the forums where I raise a little 3435 02:33:25,599 --> 02:33:22,530 hell and you also find too that the 3436 02:33:30,320 --> 02:33:25,609 people you talk to and I had no 3437 02:33:31,580 --> 02:33:30,330 preconceptions about any of you but you 3438 02:33:34,190 --> 02:33:31,590 know you don't always know what the 3439 02:33:36,230 --> 02:33:34,200 person is like in a forum because if 3440 02:33:38,360 --> 02:33:36,240 you're anonymous or semi anonymous you 3441 02:33:39,920 --> 02:33:38,370 may behave totally differently then 3442 02:33:42,410 --> 02:33:39,930 suddenly well at least it's your first 3443 02:33:45,290 --> 02:33:42,420 name and we kind of know who you are and 3444 02:33:46,730 --> 02:33:45,300 now you're on the radio but all of you 3445 02:33:49,130 --> 02:33:46,740 act like you've been on the radio before 3446 02:33:50,750 --> 02:33:49,140 because you're really articulate you're 3447 02:33:52,190 --> 02:33:50,760 really knowledgeable and I was able to 3448 02:33:55,790 --> 02:33:52,200 throw any question at you and have a 3449 02:33:57,290 --> 02:33:55,800 discussion and it was great in fact what 3450 02:34:00,770 --> 02:33:57,300 we might also consider doing is maybe 3451 02:34:02,599 --> 02:34:00,780 having a listener every so often as just 3452 02:34:04,670 --> 02:34:02,609 a regular panelist on the show as we 3453 02:34:06,770 --> 02:34:04,680 bring on a guest we bring on somebody 3454 02:34:09,380 --> 02:34:06,780 from the forums to be part of the panel 3455 02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:09,390 kind of an edition of Long John nibble 3456 02:34:14,630 --> 02:34:12,240 long - I never used to have all these 3457 02:34:16,820 --> 02:34:14,640 people who would be regulars on the show 3458 02:34:18,650 --> 02:34:16,830 they'd be part of the panel and if John 3459 02:34:20,480 --> 02:34:18,660 wasn't digging into somebody he'd get 3460 02:34:23,420 --> 02:34:20,490 one of his favorites like one of the 3461 02:34:25,370 --> 02:34:23,430 guests he had was the late Hiedi who was 3462 02:34:27,710 --> 02:34:25,380 actually a European actor who always 3463 02:34:31,219 --> 02:34:27,720 played Orientals and I should mention 3464 02:34:34,389 --> 02:34:31,229 Chi D because he was known on TV in the 3465 02:34:35,630 --> 02:34:34,399 original Hawaii five-o he was woefully 3466 02:34:40,130 --> 02:34:35,640 arch-villain 3467 02:34:42,400 --> 02:34:40,140 I was right he was also the arch villain 3468 02:34:45,830 --> 02:34:42,410 in another way the Korean or Chinese 3469 02:34:47,210 --> 02:34:45,840 psychiatrist in The Manchurian Candidate 3470 02:34:49,670 --> 02:34:47,220 the movie with Frank Sinatra the 3471 02:34:51,980 --> 02:34:49,680 original one in the 60s that was Hiedi 3472 02:34:54,440 --> 02:34:51,990 and he was a regular on the long John 3473 02:34:57,650 --> 02:34:54,450 show very knowledgeable about every 3474 02:35:00,170 --> 02:34:57,660 subject you know could really rip into a 3475 02:35:01,700 --> 02:35:00,180 guest and I think it'd be fun if we did 3476 02:35:03,500 --> 02:35:01,710 something like that now all of you have 3477 02:35:05,780 --> 02:35:03,510 different pursuits we'd like to give you 3478 02:35:07,550 --> 02:35:05,790 a moment or two to talk about we know 3479 02:35:09,050 --> 02:35:07,560 Randall of course has an organization 3480 02:35:10,460 --> 02:35:09,060 Randall if our listeners want to know 3481 02:35:10,940 --> 02:35:10,470 more about the things you do where do 3482 02:35:17,990 --> 02:35:10,950 they go 3483 02:35:21,200 --> 02:35:18,000 the usi website that's a group that I 3484 02:35:23,179 --> 02:35:21,210 started back in the late eighties 3485 02:35:24,559 --> 02:35:23,189 we've got about 2,500 members worldwide 3486 02:35:27,019 --> 02:35:24,569 it's free to join 3487 02:35:28,790 --> 02:35:27,029 there's no obligations other than to 3488 02:35:31,969 --> 02:35:28,800 have a genuine and constructive interest 3489 02:35:34,160 --> 02:35:31,979 in the UFO phenomenon so we've also got 3490 02:35:37,700 --> 02:35:34,170 some great books and stuff there honor 3491 02:35:39,860 --> 02:35:37,710 on our Hamazon catalog that I have yet 3492 02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:39,870 to make a dime off of so if anybody 3493 02:35:45,559 --> 02:35:43,050 shops on Amazon anyway go and visit UFO 3494 02:35:47,540 --> 02:35:45,569 pages common and pick up some stuff 3495 02:35:50,179 --> 02:35:47,550 there really appreciate it 3496 02:35:51,979 --> 02:35:50,189 costs to keep this thing going gods do 3497 02:35:53,300 --> 02:35:51,989 you have anything going or way our 3498 02:35:54,170 --> 02:35:53,310 listeners to get a hold of you other 3499 02:35:57,679 --> 02:35:54,180 than the forums 3500 02:36:01,189 --> 02:35:57,689 no the forum is probably my own my only 3501 02:36:03,740 --> 02:36:01,199 really online am profile presence I've 3502 02:36:06,710 --> 02:36:03,750 weaned myself off Facebook so it's at 3503 02:36:09,769 --> 02:36:06,720 the forum that's it I understand about 3504 02:36:12,500 --> 02:36:09,779 Facebook it's easy to get sucked in and 3505 02:36:14,990 --> 02:36:12,510 then you want to win yourself Dean pixel 3506 02:36:16,719 --> 02:36:15,000 Smith any place our listeners get a hold 3507 02:36:22,070 --> 02:36:16,729 of you or anything you have online I 3508 02:36:24,349 --> 02:36:22,080 have nothing to hock and all I guess I'd 3509 02:36:27,650 --> 02:36:24,359 like a lot of the listeners don't give 3510 02:36:31,219 --> 02:36:27,660 me take away that I'm not the conspiracy 3511 02:36:34,670 --> 02:36:31,229 not that people think I didn't do my 3512 02:36:41,929 --> 02:36:34,680 life I'm very into the music scene and 3513 02:36:45,010 --> 02:36:41,939 and really just enjoy life in general 3514 02:36:47,809 --> 02:36:45,020 and and that's about it 3515 02:36:50,240 --> 02:36:47,819 Jeff you and I are working on a project 3516 02:36:53,000 --> 02:36:50,250 together now can be told 3517 02:36:56,450 --> 02:36:53,010 tell us about it we are trying to get 3518 02:37:00,110 --> 02:36:56,460 the UFO watchdog website back up and 3519 02:37:01,490 --> 02:37:00,120 running and I am in the process when I 3520 02:37:04,939 --> 02:37:01,500 have the opportunity when I have the 3521 02:37:07,820 --> 02:37:04,949 time of organizing the information from 3522 02:37:10,820 --> 02:37:07,830 the old site and categorizing it 3523 02:37:14,420 --> 02:37:10,830 appropriately and making it into a 3524 02:37:16,189 --> 02:37:14,430 presentable format that can then be 3525 02:37:18,830 --> 02:37:16,199 passed on to from generation to 3526 02:37:21,769 --> 02:37:18,840 generation easily right now it's kind of 3527 02:37:25,400 --> 02:37:21,779 all over the place so and then I also 3528 02:37:27,500 --> 02:37:25,410 have my own website it's sometimes I go 3529 02:37:32,360 --> 02:37:27,510 out there and update it but it's the 3530 02:37:34,219 --> 02:37:32,370 para hunter net I have my stories from 3531 02:37:36,469 --> 02:37:34,229 my 5-year project 3532 02:37:38,719 --> 02:37:36,479 of investigating ghosts and hauntings 3533 02:37:42,290 --> 02:37:38,729 and it's got some personal information 3534 02:37:44,689 --> 02:37:42,300 out there as well some extra stuff that 3535 02:37:47,300 --> 02:37:44,699 I've done in the past that's not 3536 02:37:49,399 --> 02:37:47,310 necessarily paranormal it included in 3537 02:37:51,290 --> 02:37:49,409 there so now I just wanted to tell our 3538 02:37:54,229 --> 02:37:51,300 listeners chris is still working on 3539 02:37:55,460 --> 02:37:54,239 improving our strange planet calm very 3540 02:37:58,519 --> 02:37:55,470 soon you can have a storefront right 3541 02:38:01,849 --> 02:37:58,529 you're going to be able to buy the books 3542 02:38:05,750 --> 02:38:01,859 that you buy the physical book the 3543 02:38:08,420 --> 02:38:05,760 e-book even DVDs yes our strange 3544 02:38:11,330 --> 02:38:08,430 planet.com and I'm working on something 3545 02:38:14,479 --> 02:38:11,340 with my first wife Geneva Geneva Hagen 3546 02:38:16,760 --> 02:38:14,489 we're taking all 22 issues of caveat 3547 02:38:19,519 --> 02:38:16,770 emptor magazines starting from 1971 3548 02:38:22,250 --> 02:38:19,529 through the early 90s digitizing it and 3549 02:38:23,569 --> 02:38:22,260 making possibly a book collection some 3550 02:38:26,630 --> 02:38:23,579 of the great interviews we did with Ray 3551 02:38:28,910 --> 02:38:26,640 Palmer and Richard shaver and all sorts 3552 02:38:31,729 --> 02:38:28,920 of fascinating people you can find us on 3553 02:38:34,219 --> 02:38:31,739 Twitter we are known as the para cast 3554 02:38:37,069 --> 02:38:34,229 you'll find us on Facebook a special 3555 02:38:39,080 --> 02:38:37,079 thank you to Jeff Randall Dean and GOG 3556 02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:39,090 z-- gentlemen thank you so much for 3557 02:38:43,639 --> 02:38:41,130 joining us this week on the para cast 3558 02:38:47,179 --> 02:38:43,649 Dean thank you gods 3559 02:38:55,369 --> 02:38:47,189 thank you Jeff thank you it's been an 3560 02:39:01,800 --> 02:38:58,889 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3561 02:39:04,760 --> 02:39:01,810 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3562 02:39:08,519 --> 02:39:04,770 presentation of making the impossible 3563 02:39:12,960 --> 02:39:08,529 Incorporated tune in next week for a new